joyoge Posted December 23, 2008 Report Share Posted December 23, 2008 would be interested to know the main differences between the ultralight and the 686? does anybody own them and what are your thoughts on them? is the Ultralight any good for clay shooting if primarily a game gun? thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaserF3 Posted December 23, 2008 Report Share Posted December 23, 2008 (edited) Hello joyoge, Might I take it that you are a lady? If so and you want a gun for clays only have a good look at a semi-auto preferably gas operated the recoil of a light gun is horrendous. They are a much more pleasant gun to shoot. I forgot to say that the better one's have a shim system so as the gun can be adjusted to fit you better. Edited December 23, 2008 by BlaserF3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pair away Posted December 23, 2008 Report Share Posted December 23, 2008 joy The ultralight does what it says on the tin , in that its ultralight , this will as blaser has said knock you about , as i have said before my wife is of a small build ( 4 foot 11 ) and she shoots a 28 inch 686 in 12g with 24g shells no problem , the ultralight will be great to carry around but after you have shot it on a 75 birder it maybe a different story , my wife started with a semi-auto as she had a problem with recoil from some bad coaching ( at a game fair ) it took me close on four years to get her to hold a gun again , she has no problems with the 686 ( this is a game gun to ) . hope this helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joyoge Posted December 23, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2008 more confused than ever now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cushat Posted December 23, 2008 Report Share Posted December 23, 2008 Heavy gun = less recoil but will make you're arms sore carrying all day Light gun = heavy recoil but easy to carry if you're walking (i.e. game/rough shooting) If you're after a clay gun that you can shoot a bit of game with then go with 686 sporter (not game) If you're after a game gun you can comfortably walk around all day with, but won't fire many shots and will only shoot clays very occassionally then go ultralight. If it's a first gun, then stick to a sporter - it'll be great for shooting clays but is also a good allrounder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chippy18 Posted December 23, 2008 Report Share Posted December 23, 2008 more confused than ever now I have the Ultralight De Luxe 12g and they are superb. The main difference is really the weight of the gun. The Ultralight only weighs 6.2lb where as i think that most of the Field versions of the 686 must be at least in the low 7lb range, i think the sporting versions are probably more. The Ultralight has a Titanium insert in the breech face to give it strength but to also keep the weight down. I can only speak for myself but i do not have any problems as far as recoil, which i know is the downside of a lighter gun. I mostly put 32g 6's through mine. I have shot clays with mine too and with clay loads the recoil is not a problem. But as i say i can only speak for myself. All in all they are a superb gun as you would expect from Beretta. Hope that helps Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PERCE Posted December 23, 2008 Report Share Posted December 23, 2008 I also have an Ultralight Deluxe which I bought earlier this year having found a Browning 525 game gun on the heavy side when doing a lot of walking. I don't find it kicks any more than the Browning using 32g 6's. I weighed mine on the electronic kitchen scales & it's just 6lb's, the Browning weighed nearly 1/2lb more than the listed weight. I'm guessing the advertised weight of guns must be an average weight & the actual weight varies on the density of the wood used. I've not used it for clays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaserF3 Posted December 23, 2008 Report Share Posted December 23, 2008 A light gun shot a lot will not be a good thing for any one. 20 f.p.s. unpleasant punishing recoil, gun moves in the hands. 18 f.p.s. normal practical limit as long as the gun has been fitted. 16 f.p.s. upper limit for field shooting e.g. driven birds 14 f.p.s. upper limit for clay shooting of 150 shots maximum. 12 f.p.s. upper limit for shooting 100's of clay shooting daily. 10 f.p.s. desirable upper limit for ladies or juveniles learning to shoot. Recoil is not very pleasant for anybody and it's very cruel to subject anyone to it, when it's quite simple to lessen it. http://www.chuckhawks.com/shotgun_recoil_table.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asap Posted December 24, 2008 Report Share Posted December 24, 2008 I have an utralight which i use for game and i love it, it did kick a bit but a had a kick ease recoil pad fitted and its no different to any other gun now. If you like the feel of one i would 100% recomend getting it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninj Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 (edited) I own a 686 myself and have used an Ultralight on a few occasions, including back to back with cartridges various. IMHO, I would stay well clear if the majority of your shooting is to be clays. I get kicked all over the place by the Ultralight and although better with a decent pad on, I wouldn't be happy shooting many shots through one. I know of one owner who (not a slender chap!) needs to wear a PAST shoulder pad to ease it and couldn't believe the difference between mine and his. Of course, you can use lighter loads etc but you might not want to limit yourself like that. All of this said, it is one of the nicer looking Berettas and if you intend to shoot all sorts, it may suit you better; its an ideal gun for walked up shooting. For me though, I'm pleased/relieved I went for the much heavier 686, I couldn't put up with the beatings. Edited December 31, 2008 by Ninj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newsportshooter Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 As above the ultralight by deffinition will issue more recoil to your shoulder. Conversly the standard 686 will be heavy to carry around but issue less recoil. If recoil is your issue then get either gun and use a 21gram load (for clays) and get a good recoil reducing butt pad (the 686 will have the least recoil of the two guns) If weight is your issue then go with the ultralight. Remeber when shooting clays you only have the gun shouldered for a few seconds (unless the trap is empty doh) and when you carry it from stand to stand it will probably be in a slip so the weight will be over your sholder. If you are game shooting and cannot carry a heavier weight gun then go for the ultra light - yes it will kick more than the standard 686 but you will be firing it much less (shooting game as oppose to clays) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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