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Coming from the States, I've grown accustomed to hearing the same names over and over again when it comes to shotguns: Remington, Winchester, Ithaca, Ruger, Savage, Mossberg and the like. And yes, we've also got imported brands as well like the Franchi, Browning, and Beretta.

 

But the variety of weapons I've seen mentioned on this forum is really amazing. Here are just a few that were listed in another thread I started about favorite pigeon shotguns. I'm sure there are many more to add to the list.

 

Webley & Scott

Laurona

Breda Vegas

AYA

Blimey

Xtrema

Escort

Parker Hale

Fabarm

Rizzini

Baikel

W.R. Leeson

 

While I had gotten away from bird shooting for a number of years and therefore am out of touch with some of the latest shotguns, all of these brands are new to me as I don't believe any are commonly sold in the U.S.

 

When time permits, I'd like to learn more about all of them and would also appreciate it if you fellows could point out a few more for me to research.

 

El Gringo

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El Gringo,

I read your post and gave it a little thought, I believe there is probably a gunmaker (or even a few) for every letter of the alphabet.For a start the harder letters we have Zoli,Yuglis,Venables, can't think of a maker X but we do have the Xtrema.There were many English gunmakers in the 18th & 19th centuries and many books written about them.there are also many American,Italian,Belgian,

German and Spanish gunmakers.Good luck with your research.Salopian

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Thanks for the thoughtful reply Salopian, and you bring up another potential area of interest for me......books on shotguns! If any really good ones come to mind, I'd love to hear about them.

 

I've got a fairly extensive library as it concerns books on hunting N. American Big Game Animals, waterfowl etc, and big game worldwide, especially sheep. I'd love to add some on English and European shotguns and have also picked up the names of a few books by English authors about pigeon hunting.

 

Are many of the shotguns you fellows use for pigeons today, no longer in production, or are most of them of recent manufacture? We do have a few makers of specialty firearms in the U.S., but they tend to focus on high powered rifles. I guess perhaps there's just too much competition from high-quality, but low-cost, shotguns.

 

El Gringo

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:lol:

 

I figured someone would question that one!

 

Yes, sheep. They are indeed one of the most challenging big game animals on the face of the earth!

 

Dalls Sheep, Stones Sheep, and Rocky Mountain Bighorn all live in some of the hardest to reach spots in N. America.....very high in the mountains. And their eyesight is phenominal. Then there's the Desert Bighorn (the last of the N. American 'Slam') who live in lower mountain ranges in the deserts of the S.W. U.S. and northern Mexico. You can wait a lifetime to draw a tag in the States, or spring for a hunt in Mexico by selling a child. :rolleyes: I sold the child and bagged one in the Sonoran Mountains.

 

It's amazing to set up a spotting scope on one of these guys that's about 5 miles away on the side of a mountain, in another mountain range, and to find he's already looking back at you! The trick is getting close enough for a shot without them seeing or hearing you, all-the-while trying to avoid sliding off the mountain.

 

I've bagged a very handsome Dalls Sheep in the Yukon of Canada, and a record-book Desert Bighorn in Mexico, but have not completed my slam.

 

Throw in animals like the Marco Polo Sheep of Asia, and you can spend a lifetime hunting sheep alone.

 

El Gringo

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El Gringo

Collecting books is like guns, unless you specialise perhaps on one make you could end up filling your house and losing your wife /partner (Wife said "either the guns & books go or I go") I do miss her.May I suggest you get a favourite gun then collect every written word about that make.Salopian

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El Gringo.

 

Cast your Eye over, Woodward, Purdey or Holland and Holland. Boss is another. Cogswell and Harrison and EJ Churchill, Robertson all make nice o/u and sbs. These are just a few of the great gunmakers of the UK. They used to be good investments and still can be if you get your mits on the right thing for the right money and a deep pocket is required to. They are exported all over the world and very well known and many say, English guns are the best in the world. I think they still are.

 

But for Value for Money, I certainly dont think so.

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There are numerous books written about the English gun trade and Gunmakers . Not all of them are completely accurate being based on previous works and incomplete records but should give yo a good overall view. You must bear in mind that period books written by the likes of Greener did have a bias toward his guns and was not opposed to belittling the work of others .More recent books can have been swayed by what the writer has been told ,  writers have been know to be led astray or been given  somewhat distorted view of the reality of a company's past .

 

That said you can get a good overall picture of the many gunmakers and gun retailers [ calling themselves gunmakers] through out the British Isles

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