jammy1800 Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 I don't mind buying a second hand gun. I will use it for game. over and under for definate. i was looking at the lanber range as well as the silver pigeon (expensive) but i'm open to ideas because i don't want to spend much. under £600 would be good cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 With no disprespect to people who think/own different, I think that the Silver Pigeon really is the finest factory 20b O/U available. I'd scrimp and save to get one if I were you, as everything else just feels clunking compared to it. Try one alongside a Lanber, and you'll see what I mean. Looking on Gun Trader, if you can stretch to £750, I'd steer you towards the two Miroku MK60 Grade-1s on offer. They will hold their value far better than a Yildiz/Bettinsoli/Lanber/Lincoln. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 Second hand Beretta 686 or 687 for that kind of money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayman Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 The best gun is the gun that fits you best. NEVER NEVER buy a gun because of brand / wood / price or mates recommendation. ONLY buy the gun within your budget that fits you the best. If you can't judge gun fit yourself, take some-one with you who knows when you buy, or get some good lessons with the specific purpose of understanding gun fit. A £100 baikal that fits you will score better than a £10,000 Perazzi that doesn't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenhunter Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 The best gun is the gun that fits you best. NEVER NEVER buy a gun because of brand / wood / price or mates recommendation. ONLY buy the gun within your budget that fits you the best. If you can't judge gun fit yourself, take some-one with you who knows when you buy, or get some good lessons with the specific purpose of understanding gun fit. A £100 baikal that fits you will score better than a £10,000 Perazzi that doesn't Absolutely spot on, Sir. Couldn't have said it better myself! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saltashshooter Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 sorry to steal your thread , but as im looking to apply for a SGC and was wondering how much of a difference is the range of a 20 bore and recoil compared to a 12 ? thanks Ryan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammy1800 Posted January 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 sorry to steal your thread , but as im looking to apply for a SGC and was wondering how much of a difference is the range of a 20 bore and recoil compared to a 12 ? thanks Ryan it depends what cartridges you are using for range, i would say range isn't the issue it is more the spread. as for recoil that depends quite a bit on type and weight of gun. If you are an adult new to the sport i would go for a 12 but if you are younger or want something new, lighter and bit more challenging consider a 20. thats my view and i am no expert however Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saltashshooter Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 i think il go for a 12 bore as there seems to be a much bigger range of guns and cartridges and also i know what a 12 bore recoils like . thanks for the reply / advice jammy :( , and im 15 aswell , and also why is a 20 bore more challenging? sorry Ryan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet boy Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 I`d see if i could get a secondhand Beretta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayman Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 Recoil is a direct relationship between the static weight of the gun and the pressure of the powder in the cartridge. Like for like in the cartridge, a 20b will be lighter and therefore recoil more. That being said, I always advise shooting with light carts, using 24g in a 12b for everything, and if you wanted a light gun to carry, just use 21g carts for next to no recoil in a 20b Still dont understand why so many guys get their gals a 20b and then stick 28g in it, and wonder why the gals then dont like shooting it! Give the gals a short stocked, 26" 12b and put 24g in it, they will have excellent balance on the gun, with less forward wt than a 30" 20b, and also feel less recoil. Same advice goes for any guys worried about recoil and gun wt in a 12b, stick to a shorter barrelled 12b for balance, and light loads for recoil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stumpy28 Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 definatly 20b is the way forward i shoot 20 and can do anything i can do with a 12b with it plus there is hardly any kick from it so can shoot all day with 28g carts no prob at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 (edited) Miroku ? link is just so you can see a pic, Im sure you can get one secondhand http://www.guntrader.co.uk/3rdparty/Chiche...filter=SG-NewSb Edited January 5, 2009 by chrispti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 Recoil is a direct relationship between the static weight of the gun and the pressure of the powder in the cartridge. Like for like in the cartridge, a 20b will be lighter and therefore recoil more. That being said, I always advise shooting with light carts, using 24g in a 12b for everything, and if you wanted a light gun to carry, just use 21g carts for next to no recoil in a 20b Still dont understand why so many guys get their gals a 20b and then stick 28g in it, and wonder why the gals then dont like shooting it! Give the gals a short stocked, 26" 12b and put 24g in it, they will have excellent balance on the gun, with less forward wt than a 30" 20b, and also feel less recoil. Same advice goes for any guys worried about recoil and gun wt in a 12b, stick to a shorter barrelled 12b for balance, and light loads for recoil. plus the 12b is cheaper for cartridges than the 20b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHunter Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 I got a Lincoln Premier 20b the safety catch spring came lose after 6 month but other than that it is spot on. Wood is sealed with lacquer so it bomb proof in the field but having a gun that fits is the most important factor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossEM Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 I bought a secondhand Browning Medallist O/U ejector a few months back for just under £400...it's a really well balanced gun, light to carry around all day, no complaints whatsoever. I tried Lanbers, Fabarms, Yildiz, Lincolns, (you name it) before buying but the Medallist seemed to be a far better gun, and I must say it suits me down to the ground. I always shot a 12 bore previously and can honestly say that the recoil, even with 28 gram cartridges, seems to be a lot less than a 12 bore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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