sea gulls

[Jonno243]

Quist,

 

From the BASC Scotland General License Information Sheet - March 2008:

 

"There is no legal obligation to have tried non-lethal control methods such as proofing or scaring before conducting lethal control, only to be satisfied that non-lethal methods are ineffective or impracticable. You may wish to consider the following points:

 

When decoying it is important to realise that pigeons are a highly mobile species and target vulnerable crops as and when they ripen and can vary their flightlines throughout the day. It would be ineffective and impractical to set up any stationary deterrent such as a scarecrow or scaregun as the pigeons would merely move field.

 

When roost shooting you are targeting birds that routinely damage crops in the area but who are distributed over such a large area that is ineffective and impractical to shoot them on site or employ non-lethal methods.

 

When controlling corvids for the protection of wild birds you should be aware that the target species are highly intelligent and quickly become used to static or mechanical scaring techniques, which therefore become ineffective and impractical. Because of this shooting, or the use of static or mobile cage traps, is an effective method of control for territorial birds such as crow, jackdaw, jay, magpie and rook."

 

 

"It doesn't take a lot of effort to stay the right side of the law. What worries me is that someone who can't be bothered to even make a halfarsed effort to try" - I would say that doing adequate reading and following the guidance of a noted and respected countryside agency constitutes slightly more than "halfarsed".

 

ATB,

 

Jonno.

 

(Edited for grammar and spelling)

Edited February 1, 2009 by Jonno243

[Warlock]

I think the main question is do these "gulls" damage the crops by eating them? or are they just looking for grubs? if they are eating the crops & if they are the right species i`m going to stick a banger rope in the field for the day if it doesn`t work i`m going to shoot them that way i`m covered. If they are just looking for grubs and not eating the crops then i`ll leave them alone as they are not my concern i`m only there to prevent crop damage.

[anser2]

Warlock the gulls will not be damaging the crops. The pest gulls are Herring , Lesser and greater blacked gulls. All meat eaters. They will be feeding on worms and leatherjackets and other soil pests so will be doing the farmers crops good not harm. It sounds to me that you want to shoot them for the hell of it rather than for pest control reasons.

 

The only possible excuse you might have for shooting them is if they are roosting on a drinking water lake and their droppings are polluting it or later in the spring if they are predating game bird chicks or eggs. But the gulls you have now are very unlikley to be the same birds you may see in a few months time as gulls are very mobile , sometimes migrating long distances.

[dazza]

Warlock the gulls will not be damaging the crops. The pest gulls are Herring , Lesser and greater blacked gulls. All meat eaters. They will be feeding on worms and leatherjackets and other soil pests so will be doing the farmers crops good not harm. It sounds to me that you want to shoot them for the hell of it rather than for pest control reasons.

 

The only possible excuse you might have for shooting them is if they are roosting on a drinking water lake and their droppings are polluting it or later in the spring if they are predating game bird chicks or eggs. But the gulls you have now are very unlikley to be the same birds you may see in a few months time as gulls are very mobile , sometimes migrating long distances.

 

spot on

[Quist]

Quist,

 

From the BASC Scotland General License Information Sheet - March 2008:

 

"There is no legal obligation to have tried non-lethal control methods such as proofing or scaring before conducting lethal control, only to be satisfied that non-lethal methods are ineffective or impracticable. You may wish to consider the following points:

 

When decoying it is important to realise that pigeons are a highly mobile species and target vulnerable crops as and when they ripen and can vary their flightlines throughout the day. It would be ineffective and impractical to set up any stationary deterrent such as a scarecrow or scaregun as the pigeons would merely move field.

 

When roost shooting you are targeting birds that routinely damage crops in the area but who are distributed over such a large area that is ineffective and impractical to shoot them on site or employ non-lethal methods.

 

When controlling corvids for the protection of wild birds you should be aware that the target species are highly intelligent and quickly become used to static or mechanical scaring techniques, which therefore become ineffective and impractical. Because of this shooting, or the use of static or mobile cage traps, is an effective method of control for territorial birds such as crow, jackdaw, jay, magpie and rook."

 

 

"It doesn't take a lot of effort to stay the right side of the law. What worries me is that someone who can't be bothered to even make a halfarsed effort to try" - I would say that doing adequate reading and following the guidance of a noted and respected countryside agency constitutes slightly more than "halfarsed".

 

ATB,

 

Jonno.

 

(Edited for grammar and spelling)

 

 

It all hangs on the word Satisfied doesn't it? As I said, if you are relying on hearsay, its going to be a lot more difficult to defend than if you can show that you've tried.

[RC45]

Anyone know if they make good eating??

[Warlock]

Warlock the gulls will not be damaging the crops. The pest gulls are Herring , Lesser and greater blacked gulls. All meat eaters. They will be feeding on worms and leatherjackets and other soil pests so will be doing the farmers crops good not harm. It sounds to me that you want to shoot them for the hell of it rather than for pest control reasons.

 

The only possible excuse you might have for shooting them is if they are roosting on a drinking water lake and their droppings are polluting it or later in the spring if they are predating game bird chicks or eggs. But the gulls you have now are very unlikley to be the same birds you may see in a few months time as gulls are very mobile , sometimes migrating long distances.

 

If you read my post you will notice that i asked "do these gulls damage the crops by eating them? or are they just looking for grubs" I then went onto say "If they are just looking for grubs and not eating the crops then i`ll leave them alone as they are not my concern i`m only there to prevent crop damage"

So what i suggest you do is read posts properly think about it abit and then engage your fingers. Saying that i want to shoot them for the hell of it is slander and anyone can see from my post that i enquired into their reasons for being around the crops in the first place and clearly said if they don`t damage crops then they are not my concern.

Edited February 1, 2009 by Warlock

[Jim Sarakun]

It's Ok Warlock no one is going to take you to court so calm down......

[Warlock]

I know, it just really annoys me when people that can`t read plain text properly come onto a forum then jump on their moral high horse for NO REASON!!!

[anser2]

Warlock I did read your posts though apparently you have not read the previous posts in this thread. Dazzer clearly states they eat bugs and not seeds. Thus do not damage the crop.

 

The tone of your posts suggested that you wanted to shoot them when you make statements like

 

I suppose really I should ask the landowner if he wants them dead, only thing is pigeons and rabbits I can sell, seagulls I can’t so i`m wasting cartridge money shooting them but if i`m asked to shoot them i am kind of obliged to or risk losing my permission.

 

If you do not want to shoot them why ask the landowner if he wants them shot , just keep quiet and save your cartridge money.

[Guest]

Since I came back off holiday on 22nd of june I have had a seagull chick in my garden which made a big mess and shgat everywhere, I managed to trap it and release him from my back garden but now its mother does random stone attacks on me in my garden and tries to attack me. What do you kill these ******* with becayse I tried shooting the mother with my .22 cal air rifle in the neck for a quick kill but it only injured it slightly. I thought gulls could be killed by air rifle. :blink:

[Gonk]

Headshot will do it in m8 :blink:

[Edward]

I think there are too many!

[pyr8]

past the local high shcool yesterday and the sports field was alive with them, and wood pigeon.the leatherjackets must have moved up in the soil with the rain we,ve had.the golf course were i worked used to get swarms of the beggers come late summer when the leathers start to hatch into crane fly,s.very agile taking them on the wing,used to end up with a few dead owing to golf ball damage.3 iron and a slazenger much more effective than an airifle.

[maddog546]

I regularily get asked to remove their nest as they get aggressive once they have their eggs,I've never had a stone attack yet but usually have to wear a waterproof coat as they **** all down your back whilst up on the roof,I have had to slap a few that got too close but you have to be aware of the bunny huggers and shooting them is a last resort,deter them from returning as they can live for upto 20 years,so they might remember you next year!!!!!