Poor service and ripped off

[Cranfield]

Just picking up on the cost of shells.

 

How much do you guys think a shop makes on a Thousand shells.

 

2%

 

5%

 

10%

 

15%

 

20%

 

MORE%

 

Somewhere between 5% and 10%.

[Gordon R]

Over twenty years ago, I bought Winchester Trap 100s at Lancashire Guns in Rawtenstall - now defunct. I think I was paying about £81 a thousand. The manager had to manually carry these up from the cellar. I got in to his ribs about the high cost and he told me he made £1 per thousand. I might have been a little more sceptical, but he managed the shop only and wasn't the fittest person on the planet. I knew the owner, Michael Kay, personally and he set the prices. The manager merely applied them with little enthusiasm.

[Markio]

Perhaps I should have said, "I buy and use large quantities", I don't just buy a couple of thousand to last a year.

Which makes me a good customer and expectant of a decent discount on quantity.

 

I also agree that £37 per 250 is a good price, there aren't many decent pigeon cartridges about at £148 per 1000.

 

I must say that's a rather intriguing logic. So i should pay a higher premium as i shoot less than you? Apply that to the petrol pumps then see how much more than me you're willing to spend per litre.

 

And yes, as You and Gordon have pointed out, not a bad price for a clay cart (depending on what ones!) let alone pigeon cart. The local haybales round here charge £4 a box too.

[stet]

it does work at the petrol pump if you a big company and use fuel cards you get discount this subject has died support your local shop even if they are a few quid dearer you'll be ****** if they are gone.

[Markio]

it does work at the petrol pump if you a big company and use fuel cards you get discount this subject has died support your local shop even if they are a few quid dearer you'll be ****** if they are gone.

 

I'm not a large company? I'm a private user of fuel and shotgun carts. Would you pay more as a private individual because the private individual next to you does 3 or 4 times more miles per month? The point is i don't find it unreasonable to pay the same as the next person X price per item/unit regardless of how much i use in comparison. If big company Cranfield Corp bought 500,000 carts a year i wouldn't begrudge him some discount over mine. But that's not the ratio here is it, we're talking 250 carts v 1000.

 

Oh and the local shop i was referring too, actually IS my local shop. They realise that trade doesn't always come in large quantities. I could do mail order, save a bit on those private miles in my car that i don't get any discount on and save on time too, but i don't.

[stet]

I dont buy them by the thousand but i have always under stood you get discount if you do, its the way it goes i don't let it bother me there's bigger things to worry about like washing the car or cutting the grass

[Markio]

I dont buy them by the thousand but i have always under stood you get discount if you do, its the way it goes i don't let it bother me there's bigger things to worry about like washing the car or cutting the grass

 

I don't let it bother me as i get my carts for the 1000 price regardless of purchased quantities, i was trying to point out that it should not be a given that someone should pay more or less depending on bulk buy or usage.

 

Can i go to bed now? :blink:

[wildgoose1uk]

Why does it matter? Why are we having the conversation? Surely it is up to the seller to determine the price they sell an item for. if they want to give a discount if someone buys 4 times the quantity then that is their decision and their lost profit margin (offset by repeat custom and the free up of storage space).

 

There is a gun for sale down the road from me for £375, the same gun is for sale a 90 minute drive from me for £299. When my cert comes through (if they are still available and I still want that model) I will go and talk to the local shop. if he meets me partway I will probably buy from him, if he doesn't then I won't. There will be no hard feelings on either side - he has a minimum amount of profit he needs form the gun and I respect that, likewise he will respect my decision to buy elsewhere.

 

It is about demand and supply, it is free enterprise, it is about the best business model for your particular market.

[Markio]

Why does it matter? Why are we having the conversation? Surely it is up to the seller to determine the price they sell an item for. if they want to give a discount if someone buys 4 times the quantity then that is their decision and their lost profit margin (offset by repeat custom and the free up of storage space).

 

There is a gun for sale down the road from me for £375, the same gun is for sale a 90 minute drive from me for £299. When my cert comes through (if they are still available and I still want that model) I will go and talk to the local shop. if he meets me partway I will probably buy from him, if he doesn't then I won't. There will be no hard feelings on either side - he has a minimum amount of profit he needs form the gun and I respect that, likewise he will respect my decision to buy elsewhere.

 

It is about demand and supply, it is free enterprise, it is about the best business model for your particular market.

 

I totally agree. We've proved in this thread that shops do determine their own pricing. I think you need to read my posts again(Start at post 73). I was discussing Cranfield's point that he feels he should get a discount due to the amount of carts he buys over the year.

[wildgoose1uk]

thought you had gone to bed

[wildgoose1uk]

I totally agree. We've proved in this thread that shops do determine their own pricing. I think you need to read my posts again(Start at post 73). I was discussing Cranfield's point that he feels he should get a discount due to the amount of carts he buys over the year.

 

Yes I read your posts - Iwas responding more to the thread as a whole rather than your response with Cranfield. I just think I do not understand this thread - When I lived in London and I was buying some beer from the corner shop (in London the corner shops are often cheaper than the supermarkets) he would sell stella for something like 6 500mm cans for £5 so I would ask him what he would sel me a case for and he would say something like £18 so I would buy 4 times the quantity in one hit for an extra discount whereas if I had bought it as I needed it then I would not have got the discount.

 

I think I probably just repeated myself so am going to make some coffee to wake up properly!

[Markio]

Yes I read your posts - Iwas responding more to the thread as a whole rather than your response with Cranfield. I just think I do not understand this thread - When I lived in London and I was buying some beer from the corner shop (in London the corner shops are often cheaper than the supermarkets) he would sell stella for something like 6 500mm cans for £5 so I would ask him what he would sel me a case for and he would say something like £18 so I would buy 4 times the quantity in one hit for an extra discount whereas if I had bought it as I needed it then I would not have got the discount.

 

I think I probably just repeated myself so am going to make some coffee to wake up properly!

 

Good point, can't argue with that.

[Gordon R]

Can we get the thread back to praising Forseys? That's where it started out or was it? So long ago. :blink:

[wildgoose1uk]

Actua;;y, not having any particular axe to grind I called John Forsey's today to check the price of the Escort as I may buy one when my ticket comes through and they are selling them at £359 despite them being on the website at £299. They do say to call to check the price on the website but even so..... Just not worth the trip to save £15.