jinxy72 Posted April 19, 2009 Report Share Posted April 19, 2009 someone told me that u cant shoot DTL with carts less than 28g. is it ok to shoot DTL with a smller cart than 28g ( ie 21g ) and can u shoot DTL with a 20G gun ? any help would e great as the missus is too small to fire a 12G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GStrider Posted April 19, 2009 Report Share Posted April 19, 2009 You can use a smaller cartridge and a smaller gauge gun. 28g and 12G is the maximum but youcan use less. However I would not advise using 21g as it may cause a few targets to slip past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kermit the frog Posted April 19, 2009 Report Share Posted April 19, 2009 Strange that when the International disciplines went from 28gr to 24gr, the averages went up not down. I don't think you will lose out using 21gr, what you lose in pellet numbers you gain in pattern quality and recovery between shots. kermit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter De La Mare Posted April 20, 2009 Report Share Posted April 20, 2009 24gm is plenty for DTL. 21gm should be ok as well really, though I haven't tried it myself. The birds aren't that far away or fast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windknot Posted April 20, 2009 Report Share Posted April 20, 2009 They're OK for DTL. Not ideal in the second barrel- pattern density could be a bit low, just don't miss with the first barrel, eh? Not what you'd want to use in the Commonwealth Games, but great for getting the basics down pat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utectok Posted April 21, 2009 Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 I have to say I'm a complete convert to 21 gm carts they pattern far better than 28 gms and break clays real well. I hot far more than with 28s although it's a more precise cart. I go for hull 21 comp X. Throu my gun they are good to 50 yrds in a quarter choke. Light recoil to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.C. Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 (edited) someone told me that u cant shoot DTL with carts less than 28g. is it ok to shoot DTL with a smller cart than 28g ( ie 21g ) and can u shoot DTL with a 20G gun ? any help would e great as the missus is too small to fire a 12G I am surprised to learn that your wife is too small to fire a 12 gauge. If that were so she would be too small for a 20 gauge as well as the guns are of similar dimensions although the 20 gauge is lighter in weight . Having seen youngsters only slightly taller than their gun is long shoot very effectively I would wonder by what criteria your wife is judged too small . DTL requires a heavy steady gun . Perhaps she might be persuaded to try another discipline . Edited April 22, 2009 by T.C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 Strange that when the International disciplines went from 28gr to 24gr, the averages went up not down. I don't think you will lose out using 21gr, what you lose in pellet numbers you gain in pattern quality and recovery between shots. kermit I used 21gm 8's through cylinder choke in my hammergun on the "PW Daddy" DTL shoot a while back and got 21 or 22, I cant remember. No need for big thumpers really. ZB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzrat Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 And well shot indeed Zapp, raised a few eyebrows with a sbs on the DTL range though My missus has just got herself a 12 and has no problems handling it and at 5'2 not the biggest girl in the world. (mind you her norks probably give some counter-balance ) She shoots 24g intercomps through it and says she gets less recoil than 21 grams through her 20. A well fitted and reasonably light 12 shouldnt be a problem for most ladies. Fuzrat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayman Posted April 28, 2009 Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 (edited) Smaller loads allow more control, as the knock you about less. 100 competition round with a few second barrels in it takes its toll, and fatigue sets in towards the end causing losses. Lighter loads relieve this. My scores ( and others I know) went UP on changing to 24g. Put in regular 25 strs with Express HV 24g 8 first barrel, and Excels 7's 2nd. Use 1/2 and 3/4 choke. 21g will be absolutely fine as long as the shooter is up to speed. If the clays are a long way out the pattern density will suffer and clays will sneak through pattern gaps. Maybe choke down to F and 3/4 for 21g, if you have a clay in the pattern it will break, but you will need to be a tad more accurate in the pattern placement. Any gauge gun down to 28g will work fine with the right loads and chokes for the job Edited April 29, 2009 by clayman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wookie Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 That's got me thinking now... With my original shotgun I was using 28g Claybusters and was knocking in scores of around 55-60/100. When I got the SPig, I changed to 24g steel loads and, after an initial drop in scores, I was consistently hitting about 55-60. I then added a comb raiser and an extra inch to the stock and changed to 28g lead loads again and my scores are now 60-65/100. That's not really significant progress, so I would have to say that I am probably just ****. Mind you, altering the stock has seen my skeet scores go up. Which reminds me, I need to get out and shoot some skeet this weekend. Zapp, what are you up to over the weekend? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 Hang on Wookie, I'll check. ZB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wookie Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 Righto! Jammie*Dodger might be up for a play as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJN Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 Hi, what's all this second barrel stuff, we only use one barrel at my club when shooting DTL, (unless your shooting double rise). and not fast , they go like the stink, and they're orange !. 7.5 24g in 12g or 20g, although you can use 28g but no heavier M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter De La Mare Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 Hi,what's all this second barrel stuff, we only use one barrel at my club when shooting DTL You're shooting single barrel then, 'proper DTL' is full use of the gun, 3 points for first barrel kill, 1 point for second barrel kill. This is where the 100/300 scores come from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beretta Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 You're shooting single barrel then, 'proper DTL' is full use of the gun, 3 points for first barrel kill, 1 point for second barrel kill. This is where the 100/300 scores come from. heres me thinking it was 2 points for second barrel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter De La Mare Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 Ya, it is 2 points, that's a typo in my post. Who cares, it's a discipline for old people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wookie Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 I'm sorry grandad, what was that you said? I thought DTL was new, young and up and coming. Next thing you will be saying that skeet is boring, or easy or something... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utectok Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 (edited) I think that what matters is no holes in the paterm in the kill zone now my theroy is that as light carts suffer less pellet deformation they tend to pattern better therefor should work better with more open chokes. I mean if there is no pellet clumping the largest posible area of evenly distributed pellets is what you want. To whit i shot 21 gm carts through 1/4 & 3/4 chokes on dtl setup and and it worked fine with both barrels breakin clays well Edited April 29, 2009 by utectok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jinxy72 Posted May 1, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 1, 2009 thanks for all the posts ill have a look around for a 12g i think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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