Chard Posted April 24, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 Edit : I've just looked on the website and it seems to be Friday 1st May. What a ******* stupid day to hold a shoot That's actually not a good day for me. I'll try and reshuffle some work, but it's not looking good Working on it I've changed 2 out of 3 jobs, just waiting on confirmation of the other one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beretta Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 a good sporting shoot should test the shooters ability to read and hit the targets shown. no more than 45yds out at most and a variation of clays, speed and angles. a lot of people if not shootng there average will consider it hard, or even a stupid shoot but you need a challenge to improve. most grounds have a limited area as to where they can place traps and which directions they can fire in which leads to a situation where you have seen the targets before, theres not a lot that can be done about this though. it boils down to how far and what level you want to take your shooting to. a lot are happy shooting once a week or fortnight at local clubs where they do verywell. if you want to do the very best and get to the top of the tree you must do loads of different grounds and learn as you go on. too many think they have mastered it at there local where they are at the top with little experience, but throw them on another ground where they struggle with new targets and it soon becomes moan time. too hard, stupid targets, etc, etc. personaly, i like a tough shoot where you have to work for every target, no gimmies. won on a 87/90 is perfect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted April 24, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 Makes sense to me Are you having a go at this Police beanfeast, B? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beretta Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 cant make it. secret things in the pipeline Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted April 24, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 cant make it. secret things in the pipeline I thought it was just the Essex boys that had secret things in their pipelines Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted April 24, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 Are you shooting the Police shoot at Worsley next week Chard? I'm venturing down into Manc land for it. I am prepared to be the official, unbiased PW adjudicator of how good it is (I won't blame the targets if I miss, I have a book jammed full of other excuses ready for that! ) Right - sorted I've rearranged work so I'm up for this Police harrassing session So you can be the unbiased PW adjudicator. I'll be there soon after 10 (or so). Will you be wearing a pink carnation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulos Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 Well I would have been wearing a rather fetching musto skeet vest, oakley m-frames and sporting a trendy browning cartridge bag but having read the other thread in this section I will now probably be wearing some torn camo trousers, a mucky old wax jacket tied up with bailing string and a bandoleer full of 34gr no. 5's No idea what time I'll be there but probably not too early, I don't like to have to wait too long to pick up my prize money .......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted April 24, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 I will now probably be wearing some torn camo trousers, a mucky old wax jacket tied up with bailing string and a bandoleer full of 34gr no. 5's You'll be overdressed. It's not the Glorious 12th you know - this is Worsley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anni Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 When is that police shootem up. You rekon they will let me out and have a go at it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter De La Mare Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 When is that police shootem up. You rekon they will let me out and have a go at it You do realise that the idea of the day isn't to actually shoot Police Officers, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 Pete, Don't tell mate, they won't turn up now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anni Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 You do realise that the idea of the day isn't to actually shoot Police Officers, right? Thats why i asked if they would let me out or not . The police arround here get shot at enough I rekon anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted April 24, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 When is that police shootem up. You rekon they will let me out and have a go at it Friday 1st May innit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emmsy Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 i agree with beretta, except there should be clays out ot 60 yards. to win a shoot with 87-90 ex 100 is where it should be imo. it gives you a chance to win even if you screw up a stand. there seems to be soo much interest on ground owners sticking targets on that every B+C class shooter ends up around 80% this then gets them coming back for more as they think that a high score means there good. you only have to look at the classification points of more recent times to show that scores have gone up. i started registered shooting in B class and i had only hit just over 50% to get that classification! now you need something like 67%+ to get into B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beretta Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 the scores i would like to see are not the ones that happen though, its just my idea of a good shoot. B & C class shooters make up the bulk of shooting and all they want to do is hit clays, the more they hit the happier they are.( no dissrespect to b & c shooters intended) AAA & AA want harder shoots but there are fewer of them so majority rules. as the saying goes, ' you cant please everyone'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markio Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 the scores i would like to see are not the ones that happen though, its just my idea of a good shoot. B & C class shooters make up the bulk of shooting and all they want to do is hit clays, the more they hit the happier they are.( no dissrespect to b & c shooters intended) AAA & AA want harder shoots but there are fewer of them so majority rules. as the saying goes, ' you cant please everyone'. Good point about the lower classes (so to speak), but if as a member of the CPSA who shoots registered layouts then surely they would be in it to improve/experience rather than a feel good factor? I must admit, having never shot a registered shoot i always assumed they were just that bit tougher than your average shoot, hence i would not go to one expecting to come away with one of my all time top scores. As i'm sure you are correct about the ego massaging that must go on it must be a bit odd for the individual C/B class shot to expect that. As Emmsy said, if you only had to hit 50% to get into a B but it was a tougher course then surely that leave room for the big hitters too. After all, they are still in the same classification. After all if the course setters and CPSA are worried about a down turn in turnout because of a harder course then they might want to look at the entrance fees of £50+ as in the case of the English open at Highlodge. As a C/B class shooter i would personally be more inclined to participate in these events for the experience/learning curve if the entrance fee was more realistic, the fact that my score would not be as good as the local haybale is irrelevant, i would expect it to dip. But isn't is always the way, you know what's wrong with it all, as do i, but just like being back at work, the guys upstairs just don't seem to get the hang of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richardinhoxne Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 (edited) Novice at clays but love having a go - Lakenheath's sporting layeout is great - just about everything for me anyway. Any other opinions? Edited April 27, 2009 by Richardinhoxne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beretta Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 i dont think that registered targets are much different than 'hay bale' ones really, it depends who sets them up. so long as they are not all under 25yds out, standard size dolly droppers doing 10mph. 'hay bale' shoots usually cater for the average club shooter who wants to hit clays. they are happy. at registered shoots they HAVE to cater for more experienced shots and people wanting to learn more, thats why they are usually a bit stiffer. over the years i have shot some very hard 'hay bale' shoots so there are some about, but members dont like and soon move to the nearest ground that they can start hitting them again. the harder ground loses members and is forced to lower the standard to win back these guys. thats how it is. country fairs even have to cater for all or there would be one hell of a shoot off at the end of an easy shoot. at the end of the day the better shots will always come out on top wether its hard or easy. some think they are at the top but have yet to prove themselves other than gentile 'hay balers'. i could go on for hours but i wont. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted April 27, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 over the years i have shot some very hard 'hay bale' shoots so there are some about, but members dont like and soon move to the nearest ground that they can start hitting them again. the harder ground loses members and is forced to lower the standard to win back these guys. thats how it is. I agree with you on this, but I just don't understand the mentality of these shooters. I would very soon get bored with easy targets and be looking for something a bit more testing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beretta Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 i soon got bored when i started so moved on to other places as i wanted to see how far i could take it. some are just happy doing what they do and enjoying it. what gets me is people who moan about shoots being to hard when they wont try to improve themselves. they shoot a good average on there home ground and are prob top dog there, and then say they had a bad day at another ground because there scores were down. if you want to improve, do the rounds, go to registered shoots (as generally better and harder targets) and watch and learn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heavymonster Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 i went to worsley on sunday, what a disaster, waste of a day and expensive shells, loads of no birds and stands not working , road was ok though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted April 27, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 i went to worsley on sunday, what a disaster, waste of a day and expensive shells, loads of no birds and stands not working , road was ok though I hope they get that sorted out before Friday's Police competition, or they'll be getting their collar felt It was OK on Saturday - sounds like they didn't bother to refill the trips or charge the batteries Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulos Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 i went to worsley on sunday, what a disaster, waste of a day and expensive shells, loads of no birds and stands not working , road was ok though I'm sorry but can this view be stricken from from the record? It is clearly noted on another thread that I am the official Worsely judge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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