Lloyd90 Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 Right guys have a bit of a pickle Want to put my new gun cabinet in the cellar as my house used to be a pub and has a brilliant cellar with massive rooms. Only problem is that the walls aren't straight or flat or whatever you'd say they were They sorta bulge out at the bottom lol! Anyone got any ideas on what to do ? ATM I am thinking if it was possible to chip a bit away and get a flat surface but not sure lol Hoping I can put it down there as it really would be a fantastic location for all my gear and shooting equipment. Appreciate any tips or advice guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter De La Mare Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 Make it straight by whatever means you can. Chipping out material at the bottom, and adding it at the top using concrete/cement/brink/whatever. FEO won't like a cabinet that you can get a crowbar behind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 Don't alter the fabric of the building (never wise). Instead, form a wedge made of ply or hardwood to correspond to the wonkly wall. You need to push the top of the cabinet out from the wall, so that it sits plumb. You will probably need to machine the wedge to a proper taper (any gaps between wedge, wall and cabinet create an opportunity to jemmy the cabinet). Drill holes in the wedge to marry up with the holes in the rear of the cabinet. I used standard M8 rawlbolts and threaded rod to overcome the distance through to the masonry. It sounds convoluted, but it's remarkably simple. The FLO approved of my expert bodging. You can use the same technique of creating a ply backing board to push the cabinet away from any skirting boards, if you're reluctant to hack out sections of skirting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted April 26, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 Don't alter the fabric of the building (never wise). Instead, form a wedge made of ply or hardwood to correspond to the wonkly wall. You need to push the top of the cabinet out from the wall, so that it sits plumb. You will probably need to machine the wedge to a proper taper (any gaps between wedge, wall and cabinet create an opportunity to jemmy the cabinet). Drill holes in the wedge to marry up with the holes in the rear of the cabinet. I used standard M8 rawlbolts and threaded rod to overcome the distance through to the masonry. It sounds convoluted, but it's remarkably simple. The FLO approved of my expert bodging. You can use the same technique of creating a ply backing board to push the cabinet away from any skirting boards, if you're reluctant to hack out sections of skirting. What exactly do you do Baldrick ? Just have long Rawl Bolts going into the wall with Ply Behind the cabinet inbetween the wall and the cabinet ? Im wondering how hard/easy it would be to add cement to the wall to smooth it off would that make a stable wall to secure it to ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CZ550Kevlar Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 Personally i would just bolt it to the cellar floor, all sounds very complicated making wedges etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 What exactly do you do Baldrick ? Just have long Rawl Bolts going into the wall with Ply Behind the cabinet inbetween the wall and the cabinet ? Im wondering how hard/easy it would be to add cement to the wall to smooth it off would that make a stable wall to secure it to ? Exactly that. The threaded rod clamps the cabinet to the backing ply, and pulls on the M8 fixing. It sounds a bit Heath Robinson, but it was the only option in the listed building that I lived in at the time. It left no mark other than holes for the bolts, unlike packing out the gap with cement. Personally i would just bolt it to the cellar floor, all sounds very complicated making wedges etc. You won't get away with just bolting it to the cellar floor (talking from personal experience). If you can rock the cabinet, you can get a jemmy underneath it, and then it's a pretty simple matter of brute force to rip the base from the floor or get a hacksaw blade underneath. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airgunalex Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 would it be possible to lie it flat bolt it into the floor and in one end bolt it into the lower section of the wall. this would mean there would be less of the buldge and still sucure? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted April 26, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 would it be possible to lie it flat bolt it into the floor and in one end bolt it into the lower section of the wall. this would mean there would be less of the buldge and still sucure? Hmm Im not sure, the wall surface might be a bit rough aswell B) My cousins BF is a joiner and quite handy. Might ask him for a bit of help with baldrick's idea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codling99 Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 just render the wall flat with cement or bonding compound,and bolt it to wall and floor once it pretty flat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jollysp2 Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 (edited) Just bolt to floor same job!! Edited April 26, 2009 by jollysp2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claybreaker Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 (edited) maby bulk out the top of the wall with wood. thats what i did and the police said its fine. its better than having a chunk out your wall. Edited April 27, 2009 by claybreaker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 can you bolt it higher up and avoid the bulge, the only issue I'd have is is your cellar tanked to prevent damp and will you bridge the tanking if you drill holes through it! also keeping guns in a damp atmosphere is never good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted April 27, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 Thinking I might have to bolt it into the airing cuboard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 bad idea as well, the heat won't be good for them either!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted April 27, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 lol! I can only bolt it in Either the CELLAR or Boiler cuboard. which would you recommend then ? Need to get it bolted in soon! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 In that case needs to be the cellar but be carefull if it is tanked and you go through it you'll end up with your cabinet filling with water. Its really not ideal as damp environments will probably wreck your guns, same for the airing cupboard expect the wood to crack at the very least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J@mes Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 could always run a dehumidifier in the cellar....depends if you want to pay to run it or not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mart46 Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 Just had a similar problem, but slightly more embarrasing. The FAO called last week and managed to pull my cabinet off the wall, due to a bulge half way down!. I resorted to chiselling a few protruding bricks and using M8 rawbolts (as I should have done in the first place!. The FAO was cool though, and said he'd drop my SGL round next week and check the fittings! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted April 27, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 Right well under my stairs and on the steps that lead to the cellar is where my cabinet I have now is. Thing is this one will be too big to put there aswell. Anyways just been looking at it now and was wondering, does the cabinet NEED to be touching the floor ? Or Can I bolt on it say a foot or so off the ground ? This I think will end my problem and allow me to get both cabinets in almost the same place Hope I can put it where Im thinking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mart46 Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 mines a foot off the ground and OK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted April 27, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 mines a foot off the ground and OK Thanks mate then its sorted, its going halfway up the bloomin wall will b interesting to install Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 sit it on a few phonebooks to get it mounted, had the same with mine to avoid cutting the skirting and the FEO was fine with it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted April 27, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 Might actually be a bit big for that idea. Back to the drawing board me thinks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter De La Mare Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 Might actually be a bit big for that idea. Back to the drawing board me thinks You're just going to have to move house I'm afraid, gotta get your priorities in order! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J@mes Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 measure the hole centres and then use rawl studs or anchored threaded bar in the wall instead. then its just a case of sliding it on to the studs rather than having to support it while you put rawl bolts in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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