Bigweed Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 I though the point of the class system in clay shooting was to give shooters the opportunity to compete against others with the same ability – bit like the handicap system in golf. So why do some grounds running competitions allow shooters into competitions in classes that are clearly below their ability? :blink: I’ve heard that at some places 85/100 is often recorded as winning “C†class. Wouldn’t it be better if cut off points were introduced at all shoots so that if a score was submitted above the cut off point for a class, it was automatically bumped up a class? Or am I missing something Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 No you are not missing anything, they are pointless. Handicaps are even worse they give the lesser classes an opputunity to win a trophy but rule out the AA classes. At one of my clubs they run a handicap trophy shoot and last year I was high gun but lost it on handicap as AAA class give away 8 birds to B class meaning I needed 54/50 to win. A fairer way to do it would be to give the lower classes the option to shoot the extra 8 birds on a nominated stand. that way there is always the chance they will miss some rather than getting an 8 bird start. In Target rifle you nominate you own handicap and any points over a hundred you go come off your score so a gunscore of 97 with a 7 handicap = 104 so the 4 come off and you end up with 96. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 It is rife in Essex (allegedly) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beretta Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 if you were a 'C' class shhoter and entered a shoot where you shot your socks off, wouldnt you want to get your prize. put it another way. c class is around 60% ish i think?? that leaves 40 clays extra to break. if you get a good day and gain a few extra chips here and there you would soon amount a far greater score than your average. a 'AAA' class whos average is 90% could not make the same gains as you. some people just shoot blinders some days, just the way it is. then there are the sandbaggers!!!!!! im not going there :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 Q Mungler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 I am always clay shooting with my purdeys, in my tweeds and from out the back of my range rover sport.... Oh hang on, not that "class" but the "class" class. To be contraversial I don't see why there's a "lady" class. After all, clay shooting is an absolute level playing field sport as adequately demonstrated by Cheryl. It just shows that Cheryl is as good as any male shooter, ney better then 99% which shows that the rest of the girlies are just good old fashioned not very good and in which case they ought to be fighting it out in the lower classes with everyone else. Flame, petrol, etc. I'm off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigweed Posted June 1, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 some people just shoot blinders some days, just the way it is.then there are the sandbaggers!!!!!! im not going there :blink: ...........but too many are clearly claiming to be in a class well below their ability and stopping the "honest" ones winning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigweed Posted June 1, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 (edited) To be contraversial I don't see why there's a "lady" class. Well there's a point could always enter in the "Ladies" class :blink: Myself, well i've got the saga card so could probably go into the old farts class Edit to change typo - can't see the keyboard - too close - so qualify as "old ****" Edited June 1, 2009 by Bigweed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beretta Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 always have and always will. :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter De La Mare Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 Aye. I can't recall the last time any competition I've entered has ever seen a class C winner shooting within 15% of the 66% ceiling for the class. But, the way the class system works is fairly clumbsy. For instance, I'm a C class shooter and mostly shot like one over the last 6 months. :blink: However, I have occasionally shot better, and with the recent changes and improvements to gun and technique would probably shoot a good 75+ in a registered shoot, which I'll test very shortly. So, my shooting ability now may not be the same as the period of 6 months ago on which my current classification is based. But, those who repeatedly bang in 80% results should definitly be re-classified on the day. Some shoots do this, if you read the fine print, but I don't know of anyone going up in class on the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigweed Posted June 1, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 Robin Hood shoot at Blue Bell Hill is one where they do bump up on the day - more than 61/80 then you go from C to B. Guy who runs it has this policy to give all a fair chance. Pitty other shoots don't follow a similar policy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hurstpol Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 I am new to clay shooting but have been attending a lot of game fairs all over the country and these are open shoots people not entered in classes, and I am amazed to see these guys hammering the clay shoots they just enter time after time during the day they are all sponsored and don't pay their entry fees or their ammunition costs, I see the same faces at most of the shoots up and down the country, it does not give any heart to the newcomers to the sport, OK they have the skill and have the right to enter as many times as they want, A bit like Politicians they are not breaking the rules but ................. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 (edited) Bigweed.... "...........but too many are clearly claiming to be in a class well below their ability and stopping the "honest" ones winning" Yes, that's sandbagging. Lot of it about, they only hand in their bad scores, so they are classed according to their lowest scores. Sad really, I could understand it there was big money to be won, but you're not going to get fat by "winning" C class :blink: Edited June 1, 2009 by Chard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigweed Posted June 1, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 (edited) ...........but you're not going to get fat by "winning" C class :blink: No you're certainly not - I did it by eating the burgers, bacon butties and all the other ****e Edited June 1, 2009 by Bigweed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beretta Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 I am new to clay shooting but have been attending a lot of game fairs all over the country and these are open shoots people not entered in classes, and I am amazed to see these guys hammering the clay shoots they just enter time after time during the day they are all sponsored and don't pay their entry fees or their ammunition costs, I see the same faces at most of the shoots up and down the country, it does not give any heart to the newcomers to the sport, OK they have the skill and have the right to enter as many times as they want, A bit like Politicians they are not breaking the rules but ................. entries paid and ammo paid for.:blink: you can count the amount of shooters who get this on less than 1 hand, trust me. if you enjoy shooting and want more than 1 go why not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 No you're certainly not - I did it by eating the burgers, bacon butties and all the other ****e Yes, if you could eat your way to the top in this sport, I'd be AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA class - MBE, CBE, VC, DCM, Sir Chard of Mancsville :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter-peter Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 I qualify for veterans shoot about 75% on open ground shooting I was b class but on a good day could break 84% but it could be 70% following week. I have seen shooters myself cheating to win prizes. its a shame they can't rely on abillity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emmsy Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 this is why the royal berks thingy is a complete waste of time unless your in b or c class. scrap the classification and pay out purely on top scores. what other sports pay out more to the sub ranks than the elite? it dont make sense to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter De La Mare Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 this is why the royal berks thingy is a complete waste of time unless your in b or c class.scrap the classification and pay out purely on top scores. what other sports pay out more to the sub ranks than the elite? it dont make sense to me Ummm, isn't that the whole point of the RBSS Classic? To give someone other than the usual crowd a chance of winning? I presume you are one of the elite from the way you're talking? Want all the money for yourself? An MP are you? All I can hear is oinking noises...... :yp: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 There's absolutely nothing wrong with having a classification system and giving B and C shooters a chance at winning something. What the elite need to understand (they are a little slow) is that nobody would enter the ******* thing if it was top score only There are two major flaws that need addressing though. 1 - They need to find a way of stopping sandbagging 2 - The prize money needs distributing more sensibly. It is absurd that the winner of C class gets the same prize money as the winner of AAA or AA :yp: . C and B class winners need to have an incentive to enter, but the top classes should obviously get the biggest payout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beretta Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 (edited) once people get to AAA they will know what its like at the top and how much aggro and grief you can get off other shooters. i used to go to 2 small shoots midweek for a bit of practice with mates. at one it was the same old story. 'what you doing here, skint again eh??? saving for xmas' it does pee you off a bit when you realise some are serious. at the other, pretty much the same, all expecting you to miss nothing and deathly quiet when your shooting with all eyes on you. all this when your out with the mates enjoying an evening out. hassle, earache and resentment. i have been told after entering team charity shoots that we were invited too that cost £1000s to put a team in,, that we were NOT allowed to win. really makes you feel like packing in. stay in B class and enjoy it. :yp: edit. not aimed at you chard. Edited June 1, 2009 by beretta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chard Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 Aim it at him :yp: I said................... Aim it at him I say......Did I mention........ Aim it at him, I say Ashleeeeeeeeeeeeeeey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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