Ackley Posted July 19, 2009 Report Share Posted July 19, 2009 I feel as if I should put my view of proceedings across here as I was the one standing less than 4 feet away from Nick calling in the muntie the other evening. I never even saw the beast! & Nick assures me it was there not 20 yards away for less than 3 seconds. Nick reacted the same way I would have & I expect many others on here would as well, he said he "could have shot his first Muntjac" maybe he should re phrase that & say the oppertunity was there for him to shoot his first but he wasn't comfortable with the shot? I have shot with Nick quite a bit now & I can say he is a first class shot 99% of the time when he pulls the trigger whatever it is he's shooting at leaves this earth none the wiser . As I'm sure anyone who has shot Muntjac before will agree they appear as if by magic then are gone in a blink of an eye especially now with the cover up. We both finished the evening without any venison, but both thoroughly enjoying the stalk Its not always about killing something. SS hey mate it matters not,as long as you both had a good evening,next time may be different muntjac a strange little beast now you see them now you dont I will say one thing you have to be quick,you snooze you loose and you may also find there on the move that much a heart and ling shot they may jump into cover so you may think youve missed,make sure you have a proper look now a head or neck shot they drop where there stood but lets not go over that old ground again,as it looks like some people are getting high blood pressure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardo Posted July 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2009 as per SS's post - i wasn't comfortable with the shot, i'd rather the first time i shoot a Muntjac, it be a shot that i'm happy with. I don't doubt my shooting ability - i could have head shot it, but i chose not to. We had a great evening, thoroughly enjoyed myself (bar the horse flies!) and can't wait to get back out. My thanks as always to SS, i've learnt an awful lot from him and hope to learn a whole lot more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytie Posted July 19, 2009 Report Share Posted July 19, 2009 all this best practice rubbish half the BDS and BASC cant hit the broad side of a barn again why mention Mr Bowers ?? or are you name dropping, Ackley, As you seem unable to remember what you have written about the shooting capabilities of theBASC/ BDS, I have quoted you above. And I only mentioned him because you can go on line and see his handiwork, he is a member of the BDS, and it is quite impressive. http://www.specialistrifleservices.co.uk/custom.html I am not fond of high neck shots at distance as I have had to kill two badly wounded fallow this year where some plonker had blown their jaws to hell and back, obviously trying for a high neck shot. It did me a favour though, as the lady who asked me to dispatch the deer had been reluctant to let anyone in her woods, I now cull the deer on her land. It has a place, yes indeedy, but not unless they are close enough. Respect for your quarry, know your limits and being safe, all traits Nick exhibited. Well done Nick. ft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackley Posted July 19, 2009 Report Share Posted July 19, 2009 Ackley, As you seem unable to remember what you have written about the shooting capabilities of theBASC/ BDS, I have quoted you above. And I only mentioned him because you can go on line and see his handiwork, he is a member of the BDS, and it is quite impressive. http://www.specialistrifleservices.co.uk/custom.html I am not fond of high neck shots at distance as I have had to kill two badly wounded fallow this year where some plonker had blown their jaws to hell and back, obviously trying for a high neck shot. It did me a favour though, as the lady who asked me to dispatch the deer had been reluctant to let anyone in her woods, I now cull the deer on her land. It has a place, yes indeedy, but not unless they are close enough. Respect for your quarry, know your limits and being safe, all traits Nick exhibited. Well done Nick. ft hold on a min here,who talking about high neck or head shots at distance ?? have ai missed something here,or are you a little confused you keep name dropping Mr bowers is he your speical frined or something iam quoting the BASC and BDS shooting guidelines proably set out by people who cannot see past 100 yards never minf shoot past it it just so happens i know a guy who works for BASC who is bang in into his long range shooting BUt cant talk about it,incase he gets into bother work that one out by the way ive seen Mr Bowers work,he builds some nice rifles if you like to about a 2 year wait Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted July 19, 2009 Report Share Posted July 19, 2009 where did i say 500 yard at deer ??i didnt,I said iam happy to take a 50 or a 500 yrd "shot" but the furthest Ive shot deer was 465 yards so not far off oh and then another 2 at 365 the same day But I cant shoot and have no idea no mate never used the texas heart shot never really appealed to me,now you do what ever you like with your girl or boy freind Little big horn . Harnser . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Fudd Posted July 19, 2009 Report Share Posted July 19, 2009 troll?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytie Posted July 19, 2009 Report Share Posted July 19, 2009 (edited) hold on a min here,who talking about high neck or head shots at distance ?? have ai missed something here,or are you a little confusedyou keep name dropping Mr bowers is he your speical frined or something iam quoting the BASC and BDS shooting guidelines proably set out by people who cannot see past 100 yards never minf shoot past it it just so happens i know a guy who works for BASC who is bang in into his long range shooting BUt cant talk about it,incase he gets into bother work that one out by the way ive seen Mr Bowers work,he builds some nice rifles if you like to about a 2 year wait Ackley, we have established that you cannot remember what you have aready posted, or realise that what you are saying is making yourself look silly. Cogent argument is not something you seem to be capable of. As for special friends, are you twelve? No, I bet your not........................... That's too ****** advanced Harnser, you got it right Edited July 19, 2009 by flytie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackley Posted July 19, 2009 Report Share Posted July 19, 2009 Ackley, we have established that you cannot remember what you have aready posted, or realise that what you are saying is making yourself look silly. Cogent argument is not something you seem to be capable of. As for special friends, are you twelve? No, I bet your not........................... That's too ****** advanced Harnser, you got it right I know exactly what iam saying,its you boys and girls who cant remove those blinkers and dont realise you have been brainwashed into thinking you cannot do something different. Iam not arguing matey just stating facts your the ones who cannot accept theres is thoses that can those that cant and those that cannot think for themself which one are you mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytie Posted July 19, 2009 Report Share Posted July 19, 2009 troll?? Babby, you could well be right ft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytie Posted July 19, 2009 Report Share Posted July 19, 2009 I know exactly what iam saying,its you boys and girls who cant remove those blinkers and dont realise you have been brainwashed into thinking you cannot do something different.Iam not arguing matey just stating facts your the ones who cannot accept theres is thoses that can those that cant and those that cannot think for themself which one are you mate Yes ackley, you must be so proud of your thought, sorry, "fact" you nearly expressed it in English too ft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackley Posted July 19, 2009 Report Share Posted July 19, 2009 Yes ackley, you must be so proud of your thought, sorry, "fact" you nearly expressed it in English too ft yes Iam thank you,I do what I feel is right not what I read in a suppliment in a shooting mag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted July 19, 2009 Report Share Posted July 19, 2009 We have come a long way since bows and arrows gents. in a few more years the talk will be do we set fazers on stun or kill for deer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted July 19, 2009 Report Share Posted July 19, 2009 My deckchair is comfy and the beer is nice and cold. Come on you BASCsheep, you can do better than that. There's only one of him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytie Posted July 19, 2009 Report Share Posted July 19, 2009 My deckchair is comfy and the beer is nice and cold. Come on you BASCsheep, you can do better than that. There's only one of him Are you the real DaveK? Why bother with ackley, he obviously hasn't read the code of practise or the DSC1 manual, he cannot remember what he previously posted and surely his medicine will have taken effect by now. I'm off ft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorraine Posted July 19, 2009 Report Share Posted July 19, 2009 Are you the real DaveK? Why bother with ackley, he obviously hasn't read the code of practise or the DSC1 manual, he cannot remember what he previously posted and surely his medicine will have taken effect by now. I'm off ft Sorry flytie but either have I I go out to shoot deer in the most humane way appropriate to the individual shot and not to read them a story before I do. And it seems that I am no longer allowed to not be allowed to be Dave K. So I'm homeless Add another one into the pot. .223 is permitted for the shooting of Muntjac but many regular Munty shooters I've spoken to suggest that they're tough little beasts and .223 hasn't really got the legs for it, suggesting that .243 with 100gn would be a better minimum. Apparently roe in comparison are gay and die easily. I've only shot roe by the way. Now if that IS the case then a neck or head shot on a munty would ensure a clean kill. So lets pick the bones out of that one. What does the code of practice say about that then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted July 19, 2009 Report Share Posted July 19, 2009 (edited) Sorry Lorraine I forgot to log you out. that was me gents. And why bother with Ackley? because I've known him for a long time on the forums and shot with him. I've also learned a lot by taking notice of what he says. Edited July 19, 2009 by DaveK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackley Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 Are you the real DaveK? Why bother with ackley, he obviously hasn't read the code of practise or the DSC1 manual, he cannot remember what he previously posted and surely his medicine will have taken effect by now. I'm off ft do you hold level 1 mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 DaveK .223 is fine for them, most round us are not much different in size to the average fox. I've shot plenty with a SG under the letter of the law I'll add before we argue about even more. This argument isn't much of one NB went out to shoot his first muntjac and as such you do take care as he did. Neck shots are fine but not with the excitement of shooting your first one you really need the maximum room for error. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 (edited) Well while we're "vouching" dave...... I've known "nipper" (who previously posted) about 20 years...and can say if it's done by him then it is done right.... From what i've seen and discussed with Ackley it seems he gloats and then when is given a reasonable answer his best defence is "that means you can't do it" and that's maybe why he's been thrown off one forum already.... the OP made the right decision imo, and there is no need to have to take the shot everytime....no matter what the target is. Edited July 20, 2009 by gixer1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 Ackley, As you seem unable to remember what you have written about the shooting capabilities of theBASC/ BDS, I have quoted you above. And I only mentioned him because you can go on line and see his handiwork, he is a member of the BDS, and it is quite impressive. http://www.specialistrifleservices.co.uk/custom.html I am not fond of high neck shots at distance as I have had to kill two badly wounded fallow this year where some plonker had blown their jaws to hell and back, obviously trying for a high neck shot. It did me a favour though, as the lady who asked me to dispatch the deer had been reluctant to let anyone in her woods, I now cull the deer on her land. It has a place, yes indeedy, but not unless they are close enough. Respect for your quarry, know your limits and being safe, all traits Nick exhibited. Well done Nick. ft The above is spot on in my opinion.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackley Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 Well while we're "vouching" dave...... I've known "nipper" (who previously posted) about 20 years...and can say if it's done by him then it is done right.... From what i've seen and discussed with Ackley it seems he gloats and then when is given a reasonable answer his best defence is "that means you can't do it" and that's maybe why he's been thrown off one forum already.... the OP made the right decision imo, and there is no need to have to take the shot everytime....no matter what the target is. hold on a min here,where id I suat the guy couldnt do it dont read things in this or makes things up that isnt there the whole point is "there is no right oe wrong shot" you havnt got to do what the book says get over it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 I agree the book has advisory points.....but there are also some legal/legislative and best practice (which i'm sure we all want to follow) points in there wouldn't you agree? Regards, Gixer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackley Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 I agree the book has advisory points.....but there are also some legal/legislative and best practice (which i'm sure we all want to follow) points in there wouldn't you agree? Regards, Gixer. yes of course there are points we must follow IE safety and the handling of a firearm thats goes without saying BUT certian people who have posted on this thread dont seem to understand what iam tryingbto get at The OP didnt do anyhting wrong he did what he thought was best,thats all anyone can do in any situation,Iam noe knocking that and never will the point Ian trying to get accross is there is "no by the book shots" you access each shot as it presents itself the OP "clearly" said he could have taken a head or neck shot as i have already said in another post this comment says to me hes a confident shot or he wouldnt have even dreamed of doing it now he decided to,in his word "go by the book" which ment he didnt get the prize theres nothing wrong with that but if he hasnt have been told or read you need to shoot a deer in the heart and lungs only when standing broad side on,he would have probably have done what comes natural and taken the shot matters not to me just trying to point out "you dont have to do what BASC or the BDS say is right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 DaveK .223 is fine for them, most round us are not much different in size to the average fox. Pretty much what I thought. As I said, I've never shot one (yet) but have been advised to use 100gn .243 as a minimum as they're tough little beasties. But .223 is devastatingly vicious at sensible ranges and it puzzled me. Which is why I asked, (so my silly question could get lost in the fight ) As for the rest of your answer, I think it's being adequately discussed since you posted it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 Pretty much what I thought. As I said, I've never shot one (yet) but have been advised to use 100gn .243 as a minimum as they're tough little beasties. But .223 is devastatingly vicious at sensible ranges and it puzzled me. Which is why I asked, (so my silly question could get lost in the fight ) As for the rest of your answer, I think it's being adequately discussed since you posted it. I have shot a plethora of munties with 223 as well as roe in Scotland, I think it is purel down to shot placement, and timing, if the beast is full of adrenelin, you may get a runner, but those are the shots perhaps best left, as the meat will taste ayway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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