wildfowler.250 Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 Hi, I am looking into getting a .270 in the near future when the moneys allows,(got my slot for gun and mod already). Just out of interest, what guns would you recommend? CZ? Remington? Tikka? Sako (second hand probs ) or anything else I have missed out? Would a blaser save me money if I'm looking into getting a .223 aswell? (aslo got a slot for it). Any inputs appreciated and I'm just wanting to find different peoples opinions on certain guns before I start looking in depth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moses Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 Any of the rifle makers you mention would do a good Job. Tikka, Sako, Sauer, Blaser, Remington. CZ etc.. It just depends on what budget you are working to and what kind of rifle you want i/e Syth or wood, tactical or classic etc... One thing is for sure; Buying a Blaser will not save you money! A new barrel for an R93 is around the £995 mark and a set of Blaser mounts are around £275-£300. A second hand .270 is not a bad idea, it's not the most fashionable of calibres so I dare say there will be quite a few around on the shelves. Look out for anything that looks like it's done a lot of work and have it borescoped to see what you are getting into. If you're interested in a S/H .270 Sako 75 Synth with a schmidt and bender 8x56, I know where there's a mint one at the right money. ATB Moses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 I would not choose a swap-barrel rifle in this scenario. The .270 is a long-action calibre. The .223 is a short-action calibre, and one that is significantly milder mannered than the .270. There is no point in using a long-action Blaser/Sauer/Krico/Mauser with a .223 barrel in my opinion. You will be carrying surplus weight in the .223 configuration. I would therefore recommend two separate rifles, if you really needed both a .270 and a .223. For my needs however, the .270 does everything I need with aplomb. It is a truly fantastic calibre. I have a .22-250 that now rarely gets used, as I have an increasing dislike of swapping between rifles unnecessarily. The .270 is a lot of gun for foxing work, but dead is dead. My .270 Sako is fitted with a top-quality 6-24x56 scope and an ASE mod - it is good for woodland and hill stalking, and walloping Charlie at longer ranges. You need to assess what you are predominantly going to be shooting: Vermin? Fox? Deer up to roe size? Or are fallow, sika and reds the main course? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted August 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 Could you possibly explain to me how a bore scope works and what you are looking for ? Moses, would it be possible for you to pm me about the sako if its still going?, (although im still in the early stages of buying a .270 ). Well I have decided against a blaser already! think a .270 will do me grand actually and I can spend a bit more on one gun and forget a .223 Practically a synthetic stock would probably be better but I much prefer wood so I am keeping my options open at the moment. Out of interest, what would you guys place as the top rifle to buy? (excluding price as a factor). Sako the best? where would a saur come in? blaser? styer? ect? Thanks again in advance for any replies, they are all greatly appreciated! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WGD Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 I would therefore recommend two separate rifles, if you really needed both a .270 and a .223. For my needs however, the .270 does everything I need with aplomb. It is a truly fantastic calibre. I have a .22-250 that now rarely gets used, as I have an increasing dislike of swapping between rifles unnecessarily. The .270 is a lot of gun for foxing work, but dead is dead. My .270 Sako is fitted with a top-quality 6-24x56 scope and an ASE mod - it is good for woodland and hill stalking, and walloping Charlie at longer ranges. You need to assess what you are predominantly going to be shooting: Vermin? Fox? Deer up to roe size? Or are fallow, sika and reds the main course? 100% agree re the .270 calibre and it's versatility if you are a fox shooter and deer stalker. Great, underused and underrated calibre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 Could you possibly explain to me how a bore scope works and what you are looking for ? Moses, would it be possible for you to pm me about the sako if its still going?, (although im still in the early stages of buying a .270 ). Well I have decided against a blaser already! think a .270 will do me grand actually and I can spend a bit more on one gun and forget a .223 Practically a synthetic stock would probably be better but I much prefer wood so I am keeping my options open at the moment. Out of interest, what would you guys place as the top rifle to buy? (excluding price as a factor). Sako the best? where would a saur come in? blaser? styer? ect? Thanks again in advance for any replies, they are all greatly appreciated! A borescope is just a rigid or flexible probe, with a tiny (illuminated) lens at the sharp end, and an eyepiece at the other. It is inserted into the bore and move along and around, to check the condition of the bore, particularly around the throat area. It requires an experienced eye to interpret things, but you are looking for fire-cracking, copper deposits, scratching, machining marks etc - anything that's a detriment to a bullet's passage. I would put the Sauer S202 ahead of the current Sako 85, in terms of quality, and both rifles a long way ahead of Steyr Mannlicher. I have both a Sako (75) and Sauer. Although I love my Sako, the Sauer beats it hands down on the refinement and versatility stakes - it would be unquestionably the rifle I chose, if forced to. However, they are very different rifles in terms of design, construction, feel and scope for modification. I would urge you to try them both. Give Garlands UK, the Sauer distributors, a call and ask for a hard copy of the Sauer catalogue. The website only covers a fraction of the configurations available for the 202. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddog546 Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 I have to agree with Baldrick on the .270 as the round of choice,as if you look at the energy that the round carries it is suitable for anything in this country you should have permission for. It has fallen out of popularity abit as the stories of vicious recoil abound but I love the round and find that the only time I really take any notice of the recoil is when zeroing and obviously being braced awaiting the muzzle flip,which has been tamed by the addition of a Wildcat moderator,as stated by a friend the recoil is similar to a 12 bore but just keeps pushing longer. They are quite easy to find secondhand as lots of people now favour the softer shooting .308,the only down side is the price of ammunition due to the lower usage,my last lot I had at trade for £39 a box,I thought he was joking at first!!!!! There are cheaper rounds about like the winchester or some of the lower grain cartridges but dependant on rifle twist they can be terribly inaccurate which no one with any salt wants to misplace their shot or be guessing where its going. I aquired a lovely secondhand Remy 700 BDL classic with spare mag and mounts for £450 on tackle trader,a very cheap price to pay for a lot of rifle. One thing to remember you need good glass atop of this so make sure you get the finacial ratio right,I think it was posted on here somewhere in the last couple of days to spend your money on glass and buy the rifle with your change!! Very true ,I sold my sole and place a Khales atop the .270,and worth every penny,as I also use it for foxes with a red filtered lamp should I be continuing after a stalk,mind you the S&B atop the .223 takes alot of beating. Just remeber its the whole package that counts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vectra26 Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 [shameless plug]I suggest the setup I have for sale, will cover all scenarios, the round is a bit more popular than the .270, plus it's as new and only £700 for the whole package[/shameless plug] :yp: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hants rifle Posted September 2, 2009 Report Share Posted September 2, 2009 Hi there. I have a Tikka .25-06 T3 synthetic. I have fox and deer on my FAC and it's excellent for both. I also took it Boar hunting in Croatia and it accounted for several beasties with no problem, although I hadn't necessarily expected it to be ok for Boar. I use Federal 117g SP's which is about the heaviest you can find for the .25-06 in the UK. I'd recommend it as a great all rounder with the extra benefit of no hold over to worry about out to around 250-300 yds. Give it some thought....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted September 2, 2009 Report Share Posted September 2, 2009 I dont think the .270 is underated . I shot a BSA CF2 in .270 with a set trigger for many ,many years .It is an awesome round that can be used with confidence on any deer or antelope any where in the world . The 130 grain bullet is a real killer on all deer . So much so I changed to a .308 a few years ago because I found the .270 to be an over kill on all british deer and the round has a very loud bark at first light in woodland . Harnser . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P03 Posted September 3, 2009 Report Share Posted September 3, 2009 I've got a Tikka T3 and a Sako 85; the Tikka is a good everyday rifle more than accurate enough for normal ranges and very reasonably priced, the Sako is just less than twice the price and for my money is worth every penny and then some. Even fitted with a Wildcat Predator 8 Mod it feels really stable on sticks or bipod and its accuracy is unquestionable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAULT Posted September 3, 2009 Report Share Posted September 3, 2009 I've got a Tikka T3 and a Sako 85; the Tikka is a good everyday rifle more than accurate enough for normal ranges and very reasonably priced, the Sako is just less than twice the price and for my money is worth every penny and then some. Even fitted with a Wildcat Predator 8 Mod it feels really stable on sticks or bipod and its accuracy is unquestionable. cant argue with that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted September 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2009 Hi there. I have a Tikka .25-06 T3 synthetic. I have fox and deer on my FAC and it's excellent for both. I also took it Boar hunting in Croatia and it accounted for several beasties with no problem, although I hadn't necessarily expected it to be ok for Boar. I use Federal 117g SP's which is about the heaviest you can find for the .25-06 in the UK. I'd recommend it as a great all rounder with the extra benefit of no hold over to worry about out to around 250-300 yds. Give it some thought....... ...cheers but I have my fac through :blink: thanks for the replies so..to break it down...what would be your average priced rifle to go for? Tikka? And your "spensif" one? Saur/sako? Seems to be 2 votes sako to one saur at the mo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted September 5, 2009 Report Share Posted September 5, 2009 I was talking to a Sako rep not that long ago and even he (at a push) admitted that they're not as well built as they used to be! I wouldn't spend that much money on one, the Sauer 202 looks to be a much nicer gun! On a budget I always push CZ. They're a very accurate and reliable rifle with next to no plastic bits so are pretty much bomb proof. I'm pretty certain they have controlled round feed too which is good. I tend to put down Tikka because they have far too many plastic bits on them and they feel a little "cheap". Having said that I do have a T3 and it's amazingly accurate. The trigger is one of the best I've ever used too so if you don't mind the plastic mag etc then it's a good buy. I'd certainly prefer a CZ or Tikka over a Remmy! Another consideration could be a Howa, I've heard good things about them and they really are cheap!. The only thing I'd swap my Tikka for is a Sauer. As others have stated, allow a good budget for your scope. Most rifles will shoot to an inch at 100 yards, so with a Deer having a 4" (at least) kill zone any rifle will do the job at common stalking ranges. However, buy a cheap scope and you'll be going home early. As soon as dusk falls a cheapo scope will fail you. As Deer move a lot at dawn and dusk it will probably give up about five minutes before the Deer pop out of the woods to feed and you'll go home empty handed! Often cheap scopes also lose zero easily if knocked about! I'd really recommend a Hungarian 8x56 Schmidt & Bender. They're so good you can see things through the scope even after your eyes have started finding it hard to see things clearly, and they also take knocks very well. They're £500, but believe me it's money well spent! Unless you do something really silly you'll have a scope that will out live many rifles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted September 5, 2009 Report Share Posted September 5, 2009 What he said. On a budget, then go CZ and blow the rest on decent glass; don't f-about get a Swaro 8x56 or S&B 8x56. You got money to burn then Sauer, Blaser etc I like lightweight and ABS stocked - means you don't get to precious about it taking a knock or being driven about out wedged between the dash and windscreen. If you think you will do target work then get a heavier barrel, but if it is for stalking then go light and light barrel - it will get super hot after just 1 shot but, hey, 1 shot is what it's about when you are shooting at something living. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted September 10, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 Thanks for all the replies I'm now thinking of going for a tikka T3 hunter .270, using my leupold 6.5-20x40 scope that I have at the moment,(and possibly upgrading to a schmidt/Swaro ect if the gun gets loads of use..) and sticking one of those ASE compact mods on it plan B is a CZ,(but I think the tikka is a much better gun?) what do you guys reakon? All the best! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted September 10, 2009 Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 Thanks for all the replies I'm now thinking of going for a tikka T3 hunter .270, using my leupold 6.5-20x40 scope that I have at the moment,(and possibly upgrading to a schmidt/Swaro ect if the gun gets loads of use..) and sticking one of those ASE compact mods on it plan B is a CZ,(but I think the tikka is a much better gun?) what do you guys reakon? All the best! I vote 100% for Plan A, but I would sell the Leupold scope and put a fixed-power European scope on the T3, such as a Meopta 7x50 (a better stalking/low-light scope in my opinion). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted September 10, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 Ok thanks! I got a meopta 7x50 on my .22lr as you recommended,(haven't really had a chance to shoot it at targets or rabbits fully yet) but if you think it would be a better move I could swap the two scopes around And a long story but as a side question how much roughly would s T4 reflex mod with little use be worth? (not for use in the .270) ? Appreciate any replies as always Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted September 10, 2009 Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 I think the Meopta is a better scope for the rifle's likely use (crawling around in woodland, or in the heather), than the Leupold. I also think it's a better interim solution, assuming you upgrade to the usual S&B?Zeiss/Swarovski in due course. Don't get me wrong, Leupold makes decent scopes, but they're not as suited to low-light use as European glass. My .270's variable-mag scope rarely moves from 8x, unless I'm using it for foxing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted September 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2009 After doing some further reading I've heard that the T3 is a fairly plastic gun for the price? And I'm slightly tempted to go for a cz550 now? And it should save some moneys for a better scope Any thoughts? Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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