Glensman Posted September 23, 2009 Report Share Posted September 23, 2009 dont open that can of worms the only way someone can use your gun is if youre the occupier of the land; but the thing is theres no legal definition of occupier! some say its the owner or the person who rents the land, some say if you hold the shooting rights you can be classed as the occupier, and some say if you have permission to shoot there then technically youre the occupier too. it basically comes down to how you interpret it and arguing your case if you ever get pulled for it bet youre glad you found this place now arent you I wish this topic had never been posted. Damn you Mayfly, and frig you Babby too. I'm gonna have to get my FEO to call round now and see what she says (I bet she doesn't know herself). The thing is I often take my younger brother shooting, or a couple of other young lads. They'll take my shotgun and me a rifle, we walk together and are never more than 20 yrds apart. I thought I was covered for this... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mayfly36 Posted September 23, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2009 I wish this topic had never been posted. Damn you Mayfly, and frig you Babby too. I'm gonna have to get my FEO to call round now and see what she says (I bet she doesn't know herself). The thing is I often take my younger brother shooting, or a couple of other young lads. They'll take my shotgun and me a rifle, we walk together and are never more than 20 yrds apart. I thought I was covered for this... NO PROBLEM MATE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mayfly36 Posted September 23, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2009 I wish this topic had never been posted. Damn you Mayfly, and frig you Babby too. I'm gonna have to get my FEO to call round now and see what she says (I bet she doesn't know herself). The thing is I often take my younger brother shooting, or a couple of other young lads. They'll take my shotgun and me a rifle, we walk together and are never more than 20 yrds apart. I thought I was covered for this... GM, What are you doing, your gonna get shafted. I went to a clay shoot with my lad, and he carried the gun in for me in the sleeve from the car to the entrance, 20 foot away. I got a slap on the wrist when i entered as the manager said if there was any peelers sitting outside and they saw my lad carry the gun, i would have been in a lot off s--t mate, sio i think ure in the boat mate. I hope not but ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glensman Posted September 23, 2009 Report Share Posted September 23, 2009 Would they not be better bringin out a wee leaflet with 15 rules of shooting or something. I have a ****** masters degree and I can't figure out the (expletives omitted) law. How are farmers/older people supposed to manage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeyboots Posted September 23, 2009 Report Share Posted September 23, 2009 no your brother needs a FAC to use your gun and even then he needs your guns on loan on his FAC unless as baby says your the landowner, my stepson has just put in for a youth permit and its my guns on a loan permit , means i can take him out and as long as im with him he can shoot away legal, ive just put in for a .22 hornet and my FEO has said he wont be allowed access to it and is insisting i need a seperate gun cabinet for it as when my stepson gets his FAC granted he will legaly be allowed access to my gun cabinet but isnt allowed the hornet , but i hope to try talk her round when she comes out to inspect the cabinet and show her that the bolt and magazine will be stored seperate from the hornet and ive got a gun padlock that goes up threw where the magazine/bolt goes leaving the gun that it cant be fired even if my stepson has access to my cabinet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glensman Posted September 23, 2009 Report Share Posted September 23, 2009 GM, What are you doing, your gonna get shafted. I went to a clay shoot with my lad, and he carried the gun in for me in the sleeve from the car to the entrance, 20 foot away. I got a slap on the wrist when i entered as the manager said if there was any peelers sitting outside and they saw my lad carry the gun, i would have been in a lot off s--t mate, sio i think ure in the boat mate. I hope not but ....... So how are young fellas meant to build up a bit of experience. Are they meant to just apply for an FAC, get a gun and go off on their merry way without ever having fired or held one before. The number one thing with me is safety, but number two is fun. It seems they just want to destroy the sport altogether. The farmers I help out are very happy with he work I do and the younger lads are a great help, be it lamping, carrying gear or just as company. When it comes their time to get an FAC I'd rather they'd got up to a fair level of experience with me than just let loose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mayfly36 Posted September 23, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2009 So how are young fellas meant to build up a bit of experience. Are they meant to just apply for an FAC, get a gun and go off on their merry way without ever having fired or held one before. The number one thing with me is safety, but number two is fun. It seems they just want to destroy the sport altogether. The farmers I help out are very happy with he work I do and the younger lads are a great help, be it lamping, carrying gear or just as company. When it comes their time to get an FAC I'd rather they'd got up to a fair level of experience with me than just let loose. I forgot to put in, he couldn't even get a shot, i was really ****** off then mate, the whole idea was to take him and give him a shot..... a bloody clay pigeon range, he's 15 and they wouldn't even let him have a go. I felt for him when it happened as he was looking forward to it, what a s--t experience we had. Is it any wonder they lose any faith or any interest they might have had. But i had him out yesterday with me and my old man, 6 mallard and 2 wigeon, although he never got anything himself, missed a few, he was glad to be their. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glensman Posted September 23, 2009 Report Share Posted September 23, 2009 Aye well thankfully I have my own clay pigeon set up... and all my land is Miles from the road so short of landing the helicopter in the field I'll hopefully be ok. Still gonna ask to meet with the FEO though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeyboots Posted September 23, 2009 Report Share Posted September 23, 2009 just to add anyone new applying for FAC it states on it that they must be supervised for 6mths by sumone who is 21 years and over and who has held a shotgun/rifle for more than 3 years so id say thats their way of getting round that issue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted September 23, 2009 Report Share Posted September 23, 2009 Hi All, Pest birds - Open General Licence- Can't be shot on a Sunday Game and Rabbits- here is the law: Game Preservation (Amendment) Act (Northern Ireland) 2002 Protection of game and rabbits 2.—(1) For section 7A of the 1928 Act there shall be substituted— “7A Protection of game and rabbits (1) Any person who kills, takes or destroys any game— (a) on a Sunday; or ( during the period commencing one hour after sunset on any day and ending one hour before sunrise on the next day, shall be guilty of an offence under this Act. (2) Any person who— (a) at any time kills, takes or destroys any rabbit by means of a firearm on any land; and ( is not an authorised person in relation to that land, shall be guilty of an offence under this Act. (3) Subsection (2) does not apply in relation to the killing, taking or destroying of any rabbit in pursuance of any power conferred by or under— (a) the Forestry Act (Northern Ireland) 1953 (c. 2); or ( the Diseases of Animals (Northern Ireland) Order 1981 (NI 22). (4) For the purposes of subsection (2) a person is an authorised person in relation to any land if he is, or is authorised by— (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or (B) a person who has a right of shooting on the land.”. Need anything else - Just ask me I will do all I can to hlep. David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted September 23, 2009 Report Share Posted September 23, 2009 so no lamping rabbits effectively in NI seems a bit harsh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glensman Posted September 23, 2009 Report Share Posted September 23, 2009 and ( is not an authorised person in relation to that land, shall be guilty of an offence under this Act. (4) For the purposes of subsection (2) a person is an authorised person in relation to any land if he is, or is authorised by— (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or ( a person who has a right of shooting on the land.”. Thanks David, does this meant that you're ok for rabbits (on a Sunday) if you have the authority of the landowner? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Fudd Posted September 23, 2009 Report Share Posted September 23, 2009 Hi All, Pest birds - Open General Licence- Can't be shot on a Sunday Game and Rabbits- here is the law: Game Preservation (Amendment) Act (Northern Ireland) 2002 Protection of game and rabbits 2.—(1) For section 7A of the 1928 Act there shall be substituted— “7A Protection of game and rabbits (1) Any person who kills, takes or destroys any game— (a) on a Sunday; or ( during the period commencing one hour after sunset on any day and ending one hour before sunrise on the next day, shall be guilty of an offence under this Act. (2) Any person who— (a) at any time kills, takes or destroys any rabbit by means of a firearm on any land; and ( is not an authorised person in relation to that land, shall be guilty of an offence under this Act. (3) Subsection (2) does not apply in relation to the killing, taking or destroying of any rabbit in pursuance of any power conferred by or under— (a) the Forestry Act (Northern Ireland) 1953 (c. 2); or (B) the Diseases of Animals (Northern Ireland) Order 1981 (NI 22). (4) For the purposes of subsection (2) a person is an authorised person in relation to any land if he is, or is authorised by— (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or ( a person who has a right of shooting on the land.”. Need anything else - Just ask me I will do all I can to hlep. David so reading that rabbits are classed differently from game, so you should be allowed to shoot them on sundays? what about foxes, etc? are all vermin/pest mammals fair game? cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shot shot Posted September 23, 2009 Report Share Posted September 23, 2009 I forgot to put in, he couldn't even get a shot, i was really ****** off then mate, the whole idea was to take him and give him a shot..... a bloody clay pigeon range, he's 15 and they wouldn't even let him have a go. I felt for him when it happened as he was looking forward to it, what a s--t experience we had. Is it any wonder they lose any faith or any interest they might have had. But i had him out yesterday with me and my old man, 6 mallard and 2 wigeon, although he never got anything himself, missed a few, he was glad to be their. I believe that no one under the age of 18 may use a shotgun at a (registered) clay range. Over the age of 18 anyone can have a go. (within reason of course) There are however no restrictions on unregistered clay shooting, or game/vermin shooting This includes ALL firearms (and air rifles) Target shooting can be done by anyone (rifles and air rifles, not sure about handguns) stupid, I know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted September 24, 2009 Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 Law reads as protection of game and rabbits. Double checking fox Deer no no too as classed as 'game' under another Order thus covered under the 2002 Act - or that is how we see it at the mo. David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heladoxa Posted September 24, 2009 Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 So that means that if Sunday is the only day of the week that you have available to shoot ... you're stuffed! get the air rifle out and shoot at Polos? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Fudd Posted September 24, 2009 Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 Law reads as protection of game and rabbits. Double checking fox Deer no no too as classed as 'game' under another Order thus covered under the 2002 Act - or that is how we see it at the mo. David cheers :unsure: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted September 24, 2009 Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 BASC web site updated on the 'Shooting Seasons' section, any changes or additions etc will be made by the BASC NI team. Best wishes David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeyboots Posted September 24, 2009 Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 (edited) so this only applies to shooting so is it ok to ferret rabbits on a sunday and run the lurcher at a fox on a sunday :unsure: Edited September 24, 2009 by monkeyboots Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Fudd Posted September 24, 2009 Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 so this only applies to shooting so is it ok to ferret rabbits on a sunday and run the lurcher at a fox on a sunday :unsure: 1) Any person who kills, takes or destroys any game— (a) on a Sunday; or (b during the period commencing one hour after sunset on any day and ending one hour before sunrise on the next day, shall be guilty of an offence under this Act doesnt specify shooting there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballymac Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 DavidBASC can you let us guys in N.Ireland know if there are any processes in place to change the law in regard to shooting on a Sunday. I realise the history of why there is no shooting on a Sunday but other sports have moved on this and put pressure on the powers that where at that time over here. We have football, rugby, horse racing, all sorts of things going on now on Sundays, we even got pubs open and shops open on a Sunday. That might not seem like a big deal but considering the state of politics over here !!!!!!!!! I don't see why there should be any problem or argument in not adjusting the law in N.Ireland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mayfly36 Posted October 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 I totally agree mate, no reason what so ever why we cant shoot on a sunday. As far as i was aware it was a gentleman's agreement, being the sabbath and all that. But things have moved on so it is time for a change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 To be honest, as I sit here and type I do not know, but i promise to ask the team and report back. David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Fudd Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 i think david should get a pay rise for the amount of work he's doing for us on here i agree with sunday shooting in priciple (meaning if people want to go worship the big sky fairy thats up to them but i should be allowed to go shooting if i want) but i know id probably be dumped within a month for never bein at home Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mayfly36 Posted October 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 i think david should get a pay rise for the amount of work he's doing for us on here i agree with sunday shooting in priciple (meaning if people want to go worship the big sky fairy thats up to them but i should be allowed to go shooting if i want) but i know id probably be dumped within a month for never bein at home DUMPED AGAIN YOU MEAN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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