Ackley

a mate of mine has juyst paid a fortune for a fully trained dog he may stud out,I can ask him if you wish,its low hips and all the usual tests eye elbows ect ect

matters not if there set 5 or 150 thou off the lands as long as they group consistantly all rifles are different espeically factory rifles,by the way mine are 1 thou off

this will open a huge debate in my opinion the 17 HMR is a great long range rabbit gun and a sub 100 yard fox caliber if you have been given "clear" advice by your FLO why ask on here

driven hares monday 13th and tuesday 14th in lincolnshire large bag expected,spaces just come available due to foreign hunters which have had to cancel £240 for the two days,looking for 5 guns min to make the team up

because if you have level 1 your classed as a trained marksman ,even though you havnt even got to or have shot a deer to pass it.

looks like anyone taking part is going to have to have level 1 deer stalking certificate,wonder if theres going to be a min caliber

wow 436 foxes in 1 year that 36.3 foxes per month,must be a UK record. so you have been shooting a C/F for 5 years that would make you 16 when youn had your first FAC I thought you had to be 17 for a firearms ticket ?? your yearly count has gone up form 250 to 300 in a matter of a few posts you have made ballistic mean everything mate when shooting. as its been said on this thread no one is disputing how good a 250 is a 223 is also a good claiber BUT a 250 isnt as good as a 243 and never will be as the 243 is far more verstile and uisng a 70 gr bullet will be flatter faster and better in the wind than a 250,thats a fact mate which cannot be disputed obvoulsy your not a reloader so may I suggest goping and buying yourself a box of factory 75 gr Norma V max then go and shoot both your rifle side by side then come and tell me which is the best by the way Iam not arguing just stating undisputed facts as to not bein g able to judge distances at night,dont you do your homework for someone who shoots as many foxes as yourself surely you will know distances of walls,hedges land marks on your land as I knoe I do,but saying that any caliber correctly zeroed should be fine for 300 yards give or take an inch or two,but the best way is use a range finder can you please explain why a 250 is a better fox caliber than a 243 your maths dont stack up 1600 foxes since owning a C/F and you say you shot it out,now thats not many shots to burn a rifle out for a man who never misses "I shoot over 250 foxes a year with 22-250 and about 70 with 243. Never missed or had a runner off either but had some low shots at 300 yards on small foxes with 243."

not really hard to disagree with facts,I would challenge your thought on the 6mm BR as I have done a lot of testing with one to try and get it up to the same point and squirt type shooting as a 243,it only came close using a light bullet,great caliber but best left on the bench shooting paper,my opinion of course

is that per day (asked for day rate) or is that per outing =£50x2= £100 per day is there a limit on the number of beast you can shoot and what is your success rate

basil-blaster I think you should read the first paragragh of this link,written by an expert http://www.chuckhawks.com/243Win.htm prooves exactly what iam trying to tell you

quite an impossable task unless you test the same make of factory ammo in each rifle as diiferent ammo will peform diffrently,the links I posted for you to read had the basic info your asking for as to zero distance on a personal note I zero everything at 200 yards which is basically the optimun point of inpact for most C/F rifles give or take a yard or two

so your telling me that both the 22.250 and the 243 share the same powder charge but different weight heads mate you need to educate yourself on balistics,as i have already said a 250 with a 50gr pill may make 3600 fps but so will a 243 uisng a 70gr pill which ballistically is much better so will beat the 250 hands down where is yorkshire are you I will glady come up I go into yorkshire shooting quite often but going back to your origonal statement of " the 22.250 will out shoot a 243" is totally wrong as it wont even if you use a 58gr pill in the 243,as for long distance with a 243 I have something that will open your eyes,by the way you cant just put a 75gr pill in a 22.250 as fasctory rifle dont come with the correct twist

may I ask what the day rate is please

you will need someone who has done the job right with real time data,and not just guessing of a ballistic calculator,it will give you a little idea but only factory ammo tested theses links may help you http://www.chuckhawks.com/223rem.htm http://www.chuckhawks.com/22-250rem.htm

are you on drugs :blink: the 22.250 outshoots a 243 what planet are you on mate,for starters a 250 eith a 50gr bullet may be doing 3600 fps a 243 with a 70 gr will do that easy not to mention the 243 will hit harder and have a lot less wind drift at the end of the day dead is dead no matter what you use BUT dont come on here spouting rubbish that a 250 outshoots a 243 by the way you must be some shot to have never missed or had a runner,you claim of being able to put 6 bullets through the same hole on a cold barrel using factory and and a factory rifle seems a little jackonory as well

thanks for that I will have a flick around evil, bay to see if theres any bargains

so your saying dont go for a digital camera

a slip of the keyboard,it happens as to reloading yes it is the way forward

Ahh I see,so you already have accurate ammo you just want something to make a bang,your not wasting money by putting the bullet through the same hole,your learning to shoot consistantly unlike wasting money and wearing your rifle out throwing rubbish down the range,but if thats what you enjoy,persoanlly I wopuld invest what you waste into some reloading gear then you can have accurate cheap ammo all the time I must be getting old as throwing ammo down a range and getting nothing for it in return isnt fun

surely you must be bothered how it groups or what is the point

Bob you surprize me,for a small fee you can have your brass brought back to life and save yourself a fortune in new brass by annealing

there a superb caliber I used one for years you will find factory ammo is a bit pricey unless the rifle likes the cheap privi stuff,reloading is the way forward if you have to start buying all the gear it can get expensive if you have amate who reloads bung him a few quid to use his gear untill your get your own without a dought but hes not asking about that caliber the 243 Ackley is better than ther std 243

both will do the job at hand 223 = cheaper factory ammo 22.250 = better performance over the 223 if you reload there will only be pennies in it on price if using a sound mod theres not a lot in it.barrel life again not much in it. out of the two I would go for the best peformer which is the 22.250 as its faster and flatter over distance