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Min 500 in the truck 125 with me out to field.
Cheers OTH
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My comments apply to this thread as I probably wouldn't bat an eyelid if someone offered a free day even though I knew they usually charged. The problem here is that a free day is being offered in the same thread which is asking for £50 for a days ferreting.
Whilst OTH is trying to defend his corner about charging £50 for newbie ferreting days, in the same thread he's offering a free day to someone (was it you?) who's never been. Would you not feel a bit upset if I was selling shotguns in a thread for £50 and you bought one, and then openly said I'd give one away for free to someone?
I just feel that doing something like that, in the same thread, is just like giving one almighty middle finger to those willing to fork out for the experience.
Why if I was going to offer this service the offer is plain and open I would rather be straight and up front with clients that others get this for free.
The same if I was a mechanic customers would not stop using me because I serviced my wifes car or friends car for free .
I can offer a friend a day out for free and dont mind it being in the open air for all to see too many pepole mess about .
It would seem to appear I have pushed your buttons for one reason or another which if I have I am sorry and we will have to disagree on the subJect.
Cheers OTH
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What a true expense this ferreting must be. £50 to free... I don't get this
I'd feel pretty mugged off if I'd just paid £50 and then saw you giving a day away for free
Its because we have had contact before and I was feeling out the reaction to offering this service.
Its called if you treat somebody right you may well end up with something in return .
Some of the replys on this forum and not just on this subject does not inspire you to share you shooting etc.
Kind regards OTH
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I'm reading this on a train headed home for a long weekend after a **** week working in London. I went for a few beers after work and spent more than 50 quid on a couple of rounds. Enjoyable enough but by tomorrow it'll be forgotten.
I'm sure the memories of a day trying out a new field sport would last a lot longer. How much would I pay for a days stalking, guided goose shooting or even guided pigeon shooting? That is a massive bargain and I can't believe the grief you're getting .
I know Nowt about ferreting and know no one who does it, but i'd love to try it. Id pay 50 quid without batting an eyelid for a days ferreting and think it incredibly good value.
OTH you're never going to get rich at those rates, buti don't be put off. Not everyone has an in to field sports, and that would be an attractive offer. Good luck
Your more than welcome to join us for free we go most sundays just PM me .
All the best OTH
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Its not about gloating about how much acrerage some of us have its about facts and saying I am thinking of setting to offer days out with a 2000 acres of shooting would be pure maddness.
And on the whole acrerage subject in real terms 2000 acres of land is not a whole lots and at times 1000 acres may not have a pigeon on it so more acres equal more chance of bagging more birds if some of you want to limits your options then crack on but some off us strive for more other are just happy with a few acres .
One of the main reasons some end up with large acrerage is that some can provide effective service others that do not I turn up rain sleet snow struggling to cover OSR in winter.
Some just want the cream of the pea crop and stubbles the farmers soon seek them out and will not invite them for the privledge again which in turn plays in to hands of shooters like myself who end up with vast acrerage.
Good luck boys maybe I will just share it with a chossen few for nowt or keep it myself as this thread has highlighted the problems that arise from trying to provide shooting,OTH
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I dont know what the hell its got to do with the MODS and vetting .
If that was the case would ever seller who puts a item up for sale should also be vetted as there is no diffrents between one offering a day out shooting or a another offering a gun for sale.
Both could be just as dishonest or just as honest .
Regards OTH
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On a slightly different slant (and I'm sure one that will prove unpopular with some), part of the reason for so many people starting to sell days is the amount of people who are willing to pay.
Now I would imagine that most of these people would prefer having their own permission than paying to use someone elses, but in the sport there seem to be a large number of 'land hoarders' who are constantly after new land even though they already have more than they can effectively shoot.
In some areas, I would imagine that these people have the surrounding land sewn up tighter than a gnats chuff and therefore make it extremely difficult for anyone else to secure land, forcing them to have to pay if they want to get out shooting.
Not having a personal pop as this is merely being used as an example, but Over the Hill claims more than 30,000 acres of land that he shoots and I would be surprised if anyone can efficiently shoot that much land alone unless they are unemployed and can go shooting every day, in which case I would be interested to know how they afford the cartridges for such amounts of shooting (of course they may be retired, which is a different proposition).
His idea of offering paid days could be seen as someone trying to cover their costs and giving people with no land an opportunity to shoot, which is admirable as long as the land will provide a good days sport for the 'clients'.
Conversely, the cynical mind could see it as getting people to pay to help keep land clear that you could not otherwise do as you have overstretched yourself on what you have agreed to take on due to the desire to hoard as much land as possible and this being the only realistic way of keeping it.
I know there are many variables that come into play on this, and I would like to reiterate that this is not a personal slight on OTH, merely that the amount of land he has provided a valid illustration of the point i was trying to make
Very good reply I do have somewhere in the region of 30000 acres but its not sewn up ,but more that landowners are only willing to have a select few to shoot or ferret for a numbers of reasons.
Mainly TRUST TRUST we all know of cowboys who leave cartridges everwhere or lurch rabbits and catch a partridge or two with them.
Who would want this sort of type on there land not me so why take a risk when you can have a regular guy who you know well.Rather than a guy knocking on your door who in the first instance you know nowt about.
Most farmers would rather have there crops wiped out rather than take a chance on a newbie .
So paid days offer the farmer peace of mind that his crops will be protected but also lose the headache of shooters using his land.
Yes I struggle to cover 30000 acres but there are a few others who use the land but some is soley mine for the above reasons .
Cheers OTH
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I'd be careful making assumptions like that. If you think so highly of people because of their possessions you must think some people are millionaires.
I sell pigeons and rabbits to restaurants to keep my account from breaching it's overdraft limit. - really rolling it in
Yes but you also are making assumptions on others income your projected income of 24k to 30 k is high .
So whats your day job Billy this is not a dig but a geninue question.
Cheers OTH
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Yes, there's a difference between £25 for a days pigeon popping and £150. One covers costs and another pockets you £24-30k a year. - on the basis you take a person shooting 5 out of 7 days a week.
Billy I agree
But I am sure Terry retired so can offer that service at that cost .
Now a young guy in his 30s with a wife and home like most others 24k to 30k minus your tax as hopfully you will be declaring your income to the taxman minus 4x4 running costs insurance 1k etc.
You talk if 24k is a high income its not bad but its no millionaries row and I would think theres a fair few guys knocking this offer who earn more than you projected income.
Also I am sure driving a 2005 defender with £650 upgrades is on fair income thereselves to have a pop at somebody letting pigeon days with a projected income of 24k is a bit rich IMHO.
You will never fill your books 6 days a week 52 weeks of the year as most want weekends so it limits your income .
Cheers OTH
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I think you're in the good camp Terry with looking to pass on advice and experience more than make as many bucks out of it as possible.
Terrys offer is very good and I am right in guessing terry you are retired which changes the whole picture for somebody if there house is paid for and have a penison to live off.
Cheers OTH
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I too have been thinking of providing days pigeon shooting and also ferretting with mixed feeling from many forum members etc.
When I first joined I was against the whole idear of other paying for days to shoot pigeons but over the last year it has become very clear there is the two sides to this coin .
The first being that myself have amounted over 30000 acres over a number of years though pure legwork and connections that some on here would only dream of.
So on that side of the coin I am like many others on here have a a vast amount of acreage to shot over and some would be areas that I and only I shoot the woodies etc for many factors but mostly because of trust that takes years to amount .
So under my guidance it would become available to others due to the landowners would trust me to provide shooters of good nature who respect the land we me keeping a eye on them .
I and others can not provide this service without some form of payment and I am sure you would not work for your boss for nowt just because you liked your job
.Now the other side is the have nots in our world for one reason or another have no perms or dont want the every lastly problem of providing a good regular service.
And my finally note as pointed out by others on my other thread where they think we are doing the farmer or landowner a favour shooting rabbits or woodies .
Lets be 100% clear it is only with the good grace of landowners that we can do this sport with there consent and many can take it or leave .
They are doing us more of a favour than us doing them a favour it is a privledge to be allowed to shoot not a right.
I might not like it and others might like but wake up boys there is clearly a need for paid days and the harsh truth is that one day woodie and rabbit shooting may return to only the wealthy doing it.
Kind regards OTH
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OTH what expense would you incur taking somebody ferreting?
Dazza it would be a form of income not a jolly to top a income already I am a self employed and will have days spare during the winter and was going to supplement my income .
Its not about incuring cost but I cant take a hit 6 days a week taking others out for nowt without a income.
Cheers OTH
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So my next question to all the knockers is how many have you offered either on here or other outlets to take newbies out for free.
Cheers OTH
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So my question to all the knockers would you share your perms and maybe even hand them over totally to a newbie
.Cheers OTH
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Well said. I have had all sorts of grief for charging for pigeon shooting, but it is my job, I dont expect to go into a garage and have the mechanic do the car service for free just because its fun and he enjoys it...
Anyone who thinks it's easy money might want to come and work with me for a week, humping kit across muddy fields, driving miles and miles doing recce's, dragging gas guns in and out of fields, fixing equipment and keeping dozens of farmers happy. A days pigeon shooting is great, but imagine taking people pigeon shooting and not getting your gun out when the action is good because you have to go prepare for the next day.
A lot of people do not either have permissions or have the time to do all the recce work to get a decent day. Or as I get, just a lot of people who want a break and change of shooting scenery. It seems, that pigeon shooting is not seen as being worthy of payment unlike driven days or stalking. Yet people will happily a couple of hundred quid or more to shoot 10 pheasant or go for a walk where you may or may not see a Deer...
The same would apply for my venture and I totally agree with you snozzer .
If we was doing such a favour controlling rabbits/pigeons then there would not be such high numbers of shooting Rabbitting wanted posted on this very forum.
All I am trying to do is provide a top quality service for the not so lucky .
Cheers OTH
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Again no Dis but fletch has a good point , in my book vermin is a favour to the land owner to get rid of, and as a good gesture a bottle a xmas to keep the job right
for game then I put as a luxury and then a fee maybe introduced as according !
I agree but what about the huge amount of guys and gals who dont have access or the time to do it full time .
Also you here of the struggle for some to gain permissions I have alot of access to areas that if others trying to gain permissions would be impossable .
So some of you guys think I should take everbody out for free provide lunch and transport and say thanks for the help today lads I am off home without a penny to my name
.Cheers anyway OTH
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So what would you get in a taster day? as it takes years to learn the art of ferretting and you come up against different stuff every time you go out.
Different countys have so many styles, and i am afraid you will not be able to give any real value for the £50 that you want to charge.
Just in the way you despach a rabbit quickley, is a art in its self, let alone deciding not to net up a warren as the signs say "dont bother" and move on to the next hedge etc!
The list is very long...........................
TEH
Taster means TASTER not full trainning in the art of ferretting OH dear I can see its going to be hard work.
Cheers for your thoughts as well OTH
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i ges im being bias't cos iv only got derv costs to think about when i go,
i dont want to sound negative,
give it a go you might end up serving me some humble pie when you have a waiting list to come with you
Its not about humble pie its about offering a service to others crumpets after reading the other post about grouse shooting where there charging £175.00p plus VAT to shot two bloody grouse .
Cheers OTH
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£50 sounds reasonable to me, to think what tuition cost for clay shooting per hour, i think its something i would consider doing and a great chance for any youngsters who maybe thinking of doing any country sports at an affordable cost.
I also agree I find it very strange that some find paying for a whole days ferretting at 50 notes too high.
But are quite happy to have either there boiler serviced or car serviced at £50/60 a hour very very strange.
Cheer also for your imput OTH
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I though £50 was cheap myself if I had one adult a day I would be on less than the min wage per hour let alone providing a lunch .
This would be a income not a top up hobbie cash in the hand venture it seems strange that other things like deer stalking commands such prices yet a days ferretting is seen in this way.
Cheers for your thoughts as well OTH
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My thoughts are expensive and all i see on here lately are days for sale and im sick of it
Not a dig at you personally
Thanks Ok
Do you have alot of land to shoot etc ,it just that I have just woke up to that I have awful lot of land that would on average not be available to any shooter that after some conversations with farmers under my gudiance I would be able to let others enjoy the sport.
The reason I would charge is that it would be a form of income not just a quick buck and I have a genuine intrest in introducing new blood to our sport.
Now as you and I understand I cant take others out 6 days a week with no income so would have to charge to regain the costs of doing such a thing and also feed myself.
Cheers OTH
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Rights boys and girls I have a large amount of ferretting available now this would not be free but I was thinking of charging £50 a day for a adult to join us and £20 for under 16s whats your thoughts .
I am fully insured now for taking paying clients is there a need for taster days for ferretting
?Cheers OTH
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Even with my dyslexia I cant get the drift of the story so you boys will have no chance.
ATB OTH
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Landrover virgin here, but I've been thinking of getting one for a while. I'm thinking of spending up to about 5K, but less if I can. I'd really like a Defender but I'm shocked at how much people ask for 15/20 year old rust buckets with 200K miles on the clock! I don't fancy a Freelander but would consider a Disco, though I don't know much about them.
To be used as a second vehicle mainly for local run around and shooting trips with occaisional longer trips up the motorway
So PW fountain of knowledge, what kind of Disco or Defender could I reasonably expect for up to 5K and what models should I seek out or avoid, and what pitfalls await me
Hi
If you need any advice or what me to come along to view and talk about pitfalls etc just PM me.
5 K would buy a decent TD5 disco or a good 200/300TDI defender 90 or 110.
Cheers OTH
Ferretting taster days whats your thoughts
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Not sure why you've got the daggers out for him?
Bluderbuss it maybe in the other thread in ref to paying for shooting where Billy thought guides are theifing barstwards for earning 24 k a year .
I thought was a bit rich coming froma guy with 2005 landrover defender and recently blowing £650 on mods pointed to me his income must be near or above 24k.
So it could be that Cheers OTH