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From the BASC link ^^^. Not really much need to look further when it looks like BASC agrees that other mechanisms aren’t caught… it would seem that if you have AOLQ you’d be fine to use S1 pumps etc. Not that they’d necessarily be the first choice but if that’s what you happened to have available you could.

Once again, that’s not what the extract of the WCA says. It makes no reference at all to S1. Do you have a link to some other legislation that forbids the use of S1?

Not after an argument, but you do seem to not be seeing (or wanting to see) that the WCA doesn’t say “S1” but instead makes reference to a specific subset of S1 firearms based on certain characteristics that don’t apply to all of them. I am well aware that a pump can indeed cycle quickly. The only non-SxS is shoot is a Benelli Supernova It will be interesting to see how the HO responds but it would be easy for them to miss a nuance and, ultimately, it’s what’s written in law that matters more.

I’m sorry, but that’s just doesn’t seem to make sense as an argument if based only on the WCA? There would be no more logic to arbitrarily saying that a different mechanism would be caught than there would be to saying that different mag sizes would. You’d be hard pushed to ever get it tested in court, as it would never get that far if the only reliance being placed was on that section of the WCA. Anyone faced with such an action would just need to point out that it very clearly applies only to automatic and semi-automatic firearms. If the intention was that it caught all S1 firearms then that’s what it’d say… It seems likely that when the law was drafted the intention was to avoid putting a lot of rounds into the air in quick succession and a perception that this could only happen with semi/automatic firearms with pump/bolt actions being quite deliberately omitted.

People keep saying that there is a blanket S1 ban, but nobody seems to have posted a link to the relevant legislation? S1 isn’t explicitly banned under the WCA definition posted earlier (6 Nov by eightlittlebits) in the thread: that only refers to semi and automatics with magazine capacities of more that 2 shots. All guns meeting that description are S1. But there are other S1 guns - such as high capacity pumps, or FAC air rifles - that don’t meet that description (because although they have high mag capacities they are neither semi nor automatic firearms). If it’s the case that S1 isn’t specifically banned as a complete class of guns, then there might just be a general (and understandable) confusion that because the guns most shooters think of when they hear “S1” (high capacity semis). if the intention had been that all S1 guns were banned, it would have been clearer for the law to simply say so instead of making reference to the specific characteristics of guns in the WCA.

The illegality, according to the quote posted higher up the thread, seems to be for semi/auto. So a S1 pump would not be illegal. That isn’t to say that it would be the right gun to use, but it wouldn’t appear to be illegal? Similarly, that Mossberg bolt-action isn’t s semi/auto.

I usually go to ranges whenever I’m on holiday in the US. Ones close to tourist areas don’t often allow solo shooters but like many places in the UK, it’s attitude that counts. if you want to spend a decent amount of time and shoot a few different guns take your own eye protection / ear defenders / SGC and/or FAC as government issued ID. Immediately differentiates you from a tourist who has never even seen a gun close up (I’ve been at ranges and seen range staff never leave the side of those, which is how it should be). Worth reminding them that we don’t get to shoot handguns in the UK, tends to usually result in a quick refresher of how to check clear, load mag, operate safety, etc. If it doesn’t then just ask. I’ve had times when I’ve checked in, asked to start with a 9mm handgun and it’s basically been gun, mag, box of ammo dropped in a tray and “range is that way, have fun!” and it’s not cause any awkwardness when a refresher has been requested Tell them what you want to shoot and they’ll usually oblige. Some will let you check a gun out, shoot a bit, swap for another. Some will run a tab for ammo, watch out it can soon stack up. The more touristy ones are more likely to offer a package, some of which can be fun but slightly sobering when you shoot ARs and the such like, see what they can do, and start to wonder if civilians should really have them. That’s a different debate though. Last time I did it in Orlando, a few years ago, was at The Armories. If is was going back I’d see if they were still in business.

How old is it? I bought a 3 year old approved used Custom just after the model changed a couple of years back and people were upgrading. The screen was a bit temperamental (random bars across it, then started flashing on and off intermittently). Fortunately it started playing up whilst still at the tail end of the approved warranty so ended up back with Ford for replacement.

With NFU you always end up with the local office, it’s how they work. I insure my home, farm, and some extra land with them. Every year they ask about insuring my cars, every year they want to go through the ball ache of doing it the old fashioned way where you read them all the details over the phone.. in office hours of course. much harder than simply entering online at a convenient time. Whenever I’ve bothered to try, they then always say that they can’t cover the vehicle I want to start insuring first (usually my Range Rover as that comes up for renewal around the same time as my home insurance). That I’ve insured other stuff with them for years and haven’t had a car insurance claim for around 20 years doesn’t stop them saying that they “want to get to know us” for car insurance before they’ll insure the RR. Invariably, as a result of having wasted so much time trying to get a quote I don’t bother doing it again when the next car comes up for renewal. They’re probably OK if you’ve already managed to get car insurance with them but otherwise it’s nowhere near as straightforward as other insurers. Tbh, the overall impression I have of them from my other insurance with them is that they like to keep things paper based and quite bureaucratic which is a PITA if you try to deal with admin in an evening/at weekends. By coincidence, also just binned Hastings (mentioned by another poster) for a policy after it went up 50%. You need to be very firm with them (and actually call them) when you want to stop your policy auto-renewing. Quite a hard sell to get you to stay, even if you’ve already bought a new policy elsewhere. Comparison site came up with a quote less than the previous years.

Thanks guys. I’m leaning towards getting him CPSA or BASC membership before his application goes in and then explaining more about his shooting experience in a covering letter, which will then also allow them to understand more about why he’s looking for a cert. Hopefully we don’t hit any barriers, but you never know these days!

I know there are a lot on here keen to get their children/young people into shooting. My lad has been shooting for about five years, had a bit of professional tuition and (perhaps more importantly) you can tell by the way he conducts himself from the moment he gets to a ground that he knows what he’s doing and is safe. He can hit ‘em too…I want to take him to a few other grounds and a couple of sim days this year where they insist on own SGC or being accompanied by an instructor so I think it’s time to try and get him his first ticket. Really I guess the big question is whether I’m best off just putting in the standard forms or whether things like getting him his own clay club membership, giving a greater choice of references (I could give an assortment of experienced SGC holders who have shot with him), would help the application or hinder it? We live in the country so I can’t imagine it’ll be the only such application the force will have seen, but equally I know there has been some focus by the media on young license holders. Wondered if anyone has recently been through the process of applying for a ticket for a young person and could offer any tips? Thanks!

Our son seeing the world differently has also made us see it differently too. It’s easy to be intolerant, what “normal” looks like is pretty hard wired into us, and the perceptions of others are just one set of things that we have to deal with on a daily basis. Most never realise how hard it is or think to apologise for the comments or judgmental looks, so thank you. The more people who realise that not every disability is visible, and the more tolerant they are in general, the easier it becomes for everyone...

I suspect it’s more the case that most kids with some form of special needs have parents who struggle to understand/cope with them. When your child isn’t “normal” little things become a big deal and can make many parts of life seem (or actually become) chaotic. It’s not helped by how hard it is/how long it takes to get proper support for them The dog’s nuts though, I’ll give you that... 🤪

Bad parenting? Yup, that was us.. before we realised that our child was autistic. Bad parents for not realising he was wired differently, saw the world differently, and needed to be helped differently... Bad parents for being embarrassed when he couldn’t deal with situations and had meltdowns in public instead of helping him through whatever he was struggling to process... Bad parents for getting frustrated with him for not doing things for himself that “normal” kids did instead of realising that his physical and mental development meant he couldn’t... and for not realising that he probably found it more frustrating than we did. It’s easy to say it’s bad parenting when there are mental issues involved. Would you blame parenting if a child had a physical disability from birth? Thought not...

I’m in quite a fortunate position so have paid everything due for booked days. Others have been really clobbered and not sure if they’ll be able to pay. Hoping there will still be shooting but it’s more important that the keeper, his family, and others reliant on the shoot make it through this... I hope that all will be understanding if difficult decisions need to be taken about number of birds, days, or even the whole season getting impacted.