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  1. DanBettin

    India got it right

    Wow. I give up. I'm out
  2. DanBettin

    India got it right

    People are literally CLUELESS on how to debate or have a conversation with someone who opposes you (in the debate) without calling names or nit-picking over punctuation, or just general ad-hominen nonsense. I'm talking about most of you in this thread. Youre a very funny man Henry. You say lack of 'logical argument' Its logical to me, otherwise I wouldnt bother writing it, but its not logical to you ? Perhaps its your logic that is flawed ? Are you taking me under your wing ,to put me right ? Bless You understand me ? ? But what about my 'lack of logical argument ?? Now Im confused. Whats even more confusing is your education level ! I thought by your superior moral and intellectual stance , I was dealing with a multi Phd level brain! And here we go with the 'dismissive' tones of the logical fallacy (ad hominem) retort, not for the first time either. Its a way of nullifying my argument, because you cannot find an answer to counter it, or (heaven forbid) agree with it , or find common ground. If part of your job is to educate people, I certainly hope you dont use the same tone as you do on here, otherwise you will not be Mr popular. Yes I come here to be educated, and I am on a daily basis, my mind is very open, always has been, and no I dont take it personally, I am an extremely laid back person. Your views are your own, and mine are mine, if I see a different perspective that works with my current worldview ,I will take it on board. But you need to practice what you preach. Bit of nonsense from most people in here. Just people getting digs in left, right and centre. Struggling to pick out any salient points amongst all that hot-air. Pointless. Even if I was wrong about my points on the death penalty, at least I made points and attempted to substantiate them. Make your point, provide some evidence, and stay open to having your mind changed, I'm fast being put off PW because people are just arguing for argument's sake, bickering.
  3. DanBettin

    India got it right

    Not sure what you're going on about, an agenda from the planet zog?! I'm quite open to having my mind changed, the facts and figures posted so far about UK prison being significantly more expensive is a brilliant response, one that gets you thinking. I'm not sticking to my guns out of ignorance, I'm engaging in a debate in which I'd expect more people than just the one to return with something substantial but so far everyone seems to have just chosen their camp and are being stubborn about it without providing anything interesting to back it up. Getting a bit bored now. I won't post again, feel free to have the last word if you must.
  4. DanBettin

    Worst movie you have ever watched.

    I was joking, a callback to the death penalty thread we were having loads of fun in. But I do agree actually.
  5. DanBettin

    India got it right

    Which is exactly how projections and forecasting works, it's best guess. Last death penalty was carried out over 50 years ago, so the question's surely irrelevant? The law will have to cater for the death penalty however it caters for it, but to say the process would be the same as it would 50 years ago is a bit naive.
  6. DanBettin

    India got it right

    Wait there a minute, they're more relevant than no stats. So the claim has been made here that it's cheaper, how? What are the costs involved in both options? Because the studies I've posted are as relevant as you're gonna get.
  7. DanBettin

    Worst movie you have ever watched.

    The Green Mile
  8. DanBettin

    India got it right

    You don't care if it does, but maybe other tax payers would. Why would we want to pay any extra than is absolutely necessary towards the dealing of these scumbags? We don't have the death penalty and haven't for some time, how do you expect UK stats? Keep in mind, the OP for the death penalty made the claim that it's cheaper, the burden of proof is with that side of the argument. I posted the most relevant stats we have on the matter, I've seen nothing from the opposite side. Well, aside from the fact we know dougy can sort it for a pound if needs be.
  9. DanBettin

    India got it right

    Yep, agreed. So then, we get down to the issue of certainty. Certainty of nobody tampering with evidence even. If we can say 100% (I doubt this will ever be the case) then the only reason I oppose it is the cost. Why should we spend extra* on the death penalty when we can stick them in solitary confinement for their life for less cost? Only THEN is the ratio irrelevant. * Evidence tells me so far that the death penalty costs more.
  10. DanBettin

    India got it right

    This is a fair point. Although if we compare ratios like for like we get into the realms of whether one has a bigger impact than the other. For example, is someone reoffending worse than killing an innocent man by death penalty. That's a whole other world of debate.
  11. DanBettin

    India got it right

    And that's before even considering framing/corruption.
  12. DanBettin

    India got it right

    What did we used to have? And how does that fit in to modern-day legislation?
  13. DanBettin

    India got it right

    Well I've asked a few times now to be clear on what exactly it is you propose then so I can understand what I'm missing? The only person that got back to me was Dougy with his poundland idea. I was merely using the USA as an example since it's the most relevant.
  14. DanBettin

    India got it right

    Again, missed the point entirely. I'm not for the death penalty at all, but I don't think it's too harsh a punishment. Are you implying the two statements are contradicting? They're absolutely not. Do your "facts" include the cost of running trials for murderers who murder again? I think not. Ok - maybe it's a deterrent, show me the proof. I shown you a study before that proposed it wasn't. Why is nobody else here talking about studies, evidence, facts and figures? If it's just an emotional indulgence into how bad we'd like to punish scumbags then let me know and I'll give the conversation a miss.
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