oops a grave

[Blunderbuss]

Interesting thread . I am I the only one to feel uncomfortable at the level of of knowledge and even tacit acceptance of the practices associated with badger digging/baiting which seems to be displayed by some on here? How do people get to know such detail about how these scum go about their business unless they have personal experience of it?

 

I am no "anti" when it it comes to legit field sports, and I don't think badgers are cuddly teddy bears. I support humane, legally sanctioned culling to limit the spread of bovine TB. But!! I would grass anyone who digs/baits badgers without a second thought and cheer to the rafters when they receive the the full force of the law. ***** scum who do this, or those who act as apologists for it are nothing to do with legitimate country pursuits IMO

[Blackbart]

I think the thread shows a lack of knowledge rather than any great level of knowledge and would guess that most that have took part have never entered a terrier to anything more than a scurry at the country fair never mind charlie.Some people are aguing about what google says instead of any actual knowledge of terrier work.

[Heladoxa]

So nobody reckons much on my crop circle type theory then?

[Dave-G]

Nah - its more like a ditch in time saves nine - or somink loik dat.

Edited November 18, 2009 by Dave-G

[wy111]

Now read through 4 pages of mostly drivel. One or two are quite salient and knowlgeable in their answers to a seemingly honest question, but the rest, sorry, Google’s not the be all and end all to purport knowledge. I am a keeper and occasionally have dog men to try and find the odd lamp shy fox. Patterdales are the favourite dogs used round here , NOT, Bull terriers, get their damn head stuck for a start! Usually a 100% fox earth will have food debris around and other tell tale signs, but sometimes a fox will share an earth with a stripey and so it can still stink of fox. Terriers are trained for two types of use, bolting (When nets are used) and baying (to hold and dig).

Unfortunately, in the latter case, foxy is not always at home, but stripey is!. The terrier will still bay, whoever thought stripeys will chase a good terrier out, needs a lobotomy. The only way is by collar location and dig out the dog, let the stripey clear off and backfill.

Only 3 reasons for the “so called grave” and carts. Tunnel collapsed behind terrier, fox(s) dug and shot(badly) or someone illegally shooting stripeys. Definitely not “baiting diggers” they want it alive for use elsewhere.

UNLESS ANOTHER ROSWELL

[DaveK]

So nobody reckons much on my crop circle type theory then?

 

I think it's as good as any of the others suggested. Difficult to imagine a badger standing up and treading a board though.

[vulpicide]

VG must be a magistrate because I have never read so much **** wrote about terriers in my 40 years in using terriers to control foxes.He has soaked up nonsense like a sponge

and is trying to pass it off as knowledge if this is the quality of the British Judiciary God help us all.

[KFC]

So nobody reckons much on my crop circle type theory then?

 

I don't think the crop circle theory is so easily dismissed.

 

I just Googled 6ft x 2ft holes and it led me to a website that said that crop-circle creating aliens favour using a 6ft x 2ft boards. So there is always a board here for them to use, in case they forget to pick one up on the way here, then they hide them in holes of that size.

 

Just like our planet, they also suffer recession so their training budget has been cut so, rather than leave boards here all year round, when there's no standing crops, they take the boards back for winter training sessions.

 

I think you stumbled onto one of their hiding places.

 

I can't post a link to the website that I found in case it upsets someone.

 

Anyway, must go, I'm due a tablet.

[Heladoxa]

I don't think the crop circle theory is so easily dismissed.

 

I just Googled 6ft x 2ft holes and it led me to a website that said that crop-circle creating aliens favour using a 6ft x 2ft boards. So there is always a board here for them to use, in case they forget to pick one up on the way here, then they hide them in holes of that size.

 

Just like our planet, they also suffer recession so their training budget has been cut so, rather than leave boards here all year round, when there's no standing crops, they take the boards back for winter training sessions.

 

I think you stumbled onto one of their hiding places.

 

I can't post a link to the website that I found in case it upsets someone.

 

Anyway, must go, I'm due a tablet.

 

I'm seriously worried KFC. I was only joking about the holes being like the crop circle phenomenon, but you're not, are you?

[KFC]

 

I'm seriously worried KFC. I was only joking about the holes being like the crop circle phenomenon, but you're not, are you?

 

 

Absolutely not joking.

 

In fact I have photographic evidence of an alien hiding one of these planks that it has just used to create a crop circle.

You can see the crop circle in the background.

I have also included a 6ft ruler so you can see the scale of the plank.

 

Here's the link to the picture

 

http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee35/ge...nplankstore.jpg

[al4x]

VG must be a magistrate because I have never read so much **** wrote about terriers in my 40 years in using terriers to control foxes.He has soaked up nonsense like a sponge

and is trying to pass it off as knowledge if this is the quality of the British Judiciary God help us all.

 

 

just a side note, the guys who you are used as an "expert" witness to defend are they usually guilty or completely innocent? I don't mean the result in court more were they digging badgers or not?

 

 

All that would strike me as odd in this case is that 3 shotgun cartridges were used to kill something yet a body wasn't found. If you'd gone to the effort to dig that hole and then fill it back in surely you'd have dumped the "fox" in the bottom of it.

Edited November 18, 2009 by al4x

[MPT1]

KFC,

Ignoring the actual subject matter of this link for a moment. You are absolutely correct that many on the forum can't wait to be insulting. It's just their ignorance and cowardly bullying. As Dave K said most suuccinctly they are "keyboard warriors".

 

Incidently DaveK God bless your son and all his pals.

[sapper063]

well im more confused than ever the police thought it warranted taking cartridges away. they are baffled why there was nothing down there. but i know now ill have to be extra carefull. these people whoever they are must have local knowledge to get where this hole was dug. they had to go down a lane go throught 2 gates then go down a 45degree slope over a brook in a 4x4. knowing they could not be seen, the valley they went into is usually veiled in mist. so we are going to put a few treats up for them which they wont expect until police come knocking. the only reason we think credible as i know nothing about badger baiting, o i know the badgers are there as i will watch them regular, is that something was burried there and they have retrieved it.

[vulpicide]

The last ones were innocent they were out after rabbits and a terrier ran to ground they had permission on the ground but a woman heard dogs in mortal agony (the other dogs protesting at being tied up) and phoned the police who not being sure called the SS pca.The SS PCA inspector on being told the boys were trying to retrieve the terrier they only had spade went to his van and brought back a bar to get through the rocks and retrieve the terrier. They were then charged with a catalog of charges re badger digging. On bad

advice they were advised to plead guilty to the one remaining charge Interfering with a badger sett and due to the time lapse involved waiting for legal aid to be granted the site inspection was not carried out by the defense. So because the onus is on the defense to prove their innocence under the badger act this was impossible. I obviously can't comment on anything thats ongoing all I will say is it's getting worse. Two things legislation on fox control with dogs is different in Scotland and if anyone wants to know about

badger digging from a historical and factual point of view I would recomend Hunt And Working Terriers by Captain Sir Jocelyn Lucas or go on to the National Working Terrier

Federation website and look at the research on the continent Re stress in badgers when confronted with a terrier or rather lack of stress.

[dazza]

Anybody that wants to gain knowledge on badger digging have a read at David Harcombes book on the subject. A lot more factual than the **** written by anti's. At least you will learn the difference between baiting and digging.

[dazza]

If they were after a badger they will put it in a sack and take it away to be used for a "show" somewhere else after starving it and frightening it by hitting it with sticks and shining torches in its eyes to make it more aggressive. . They probably put a dog into the hole and it got stuck down there so they had to dig for it.

My friend used to be a badger warden at Ashridge near Tring and they used to get ****** trying to get at the badgers on the estate all the time.

There's big money in it and the people who do it are more than willing to give you a good hiding if you try and stop them. A big male badger is worth around £100 to these people. They sell them to the show organisers, who then make thousands from the betting and entry money on the door.

 

Where do you get this **** from? Hit it with sticks and shine torches in it's eyes. You also say they starve it, surely a starving badger wouldn't put up much of a fight against a dog? I bet they call it really bad names as well

[Blackbart]

The people who go after the badgers on the actual ground are not usually into the baiting. They are just "Oiks" looking to make some quick beer money by selling the live badgers on. In much the same way as deer poachers sell the meat on to someone else.

They don't use big dogs or ones that will attack the badger. Thats the last thing they want. They just use a little terrier with the idea that the badger will chase it out again and get caught in the net they spread at the entrance to the sett. If it all goes well for them it can be over in less than a minute and no tell tale signs to show they have ever been there. They don't even peg the net out so there aren't any peg hole to give them away. They don't need to put the dog deep into the hole, just deep enough for the badger to realise there is a dog in the sett and it will usually give chase.

 

Digging is not part of their plan, they only have to dig if the dog gets cornered by the badger under ground and can't get back out again. Even then i suspect a lot of them would just abandon the dog underground rather than start digging.

 

I would like to think this was a joke post,but somehow i think i am wrong.

 

It is so ill informed it is scary coming from a majistrate(supposedly).I really think you need to research the subject if you ever get anyone in the dock charged with "Badger fighting"before you.

 

It sounds like something out of a childrens book

[bobbo]

deary deary me.

i think someone is trying to start something off here. so becarefull what you say. a hole that big would be know use to anyone. please give evidence with photos an the empty shells so we can shine a light on what they would be used for.

if you would like to know anything about terrier work please feel free to ask me. i have bein on a good few succesfull digs. an know the typical movements of charles. i know people have also bumbed in to a piggy a few times. its not pretty for your dog to be on the back an sharp end of borris i can tell you now. i smell a troll people.

Edited November 18, 2009 by bobbo

[sapper063]

these are the only photos taken the cartridges were taken away by police

 

 

[bobbo]

and the distance from the set, is there any water near by? like a land drain, those indentations looks like paws to me. its not as big as you described.

[Heladoxa]

Do you think it could be a cult that ritualistically and ceremoniously buries spent cartridges, backfills the hole and does delightful things to Virgins

 

Pant Pant

[sapper063]

mesured 2yds long

[KFC]

That's where we've all been misled.

 

in the original post you said it was 6ft long.

 

Now you tell us it is 2yds long

[unclemicky]

KFC,

Ignoring the actual subject matter of this link for a moment. You are absolutely correct that many on the forum can't wait to be insulting. It's just their ignorance and cowardly bullying. As Dave K said most suuccinctly they are "keyboard warriors".Incidently DaveK God bless your son and all his pals.

 

 

Unfortunatly to much of this goes on, on this forum

[sapper063]

nit picking now