fullbore Posted December 27, 2009 Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 (edited) If it's easier for you to comprehend, I will use an inanimate object that you would find on a driven day, seeing as your narrow minded retort didn't seem to include an appreciation of my shining example of a dangerous inanimate object. I'm going to sound patronising here, because I'm going to try to get your imagination working away to picture this. 'You are on a driven day and you've been asked to take peg 8, which stands you right on the corner of a wood. As you approach your peg, you notice an inanimate object: an old dead tree with visibly rotten branches. As you approach it, the rook that was perched on a branch quickly flies away and the tree creeks and a cracking sound emits from the trunk, connected to the branch... Unfortunately your peg is directly below this dangerous branch and you think to yourself that it would be pretty unsafe to stand under it, as it looks like it could easily kill you if it broke and fell on you.' That is a perfect example of an unsafe inanimate object, which you would find on a driven shoot. I hope you can now relate this to your comment "and how can ANY inanimate object be unsafe" and realise you were very, very wrong. I'll try not to sound as condescendingas you while I reply . Yes the branch is unsafe, ut it is only made DANGEROUS by a humans choice, (i.e to stand under it) the same as guns. you are wrong in using the safety aspect of guns as a reason to why the are not allowed on shoots, it certainly wouldn't work with a o/u when the traditionalists/snobs demand s/s. What are you going to do when your tradition offends other religions? They've all but done away with Christmas, but don't worry it won't affect you some thoughts for you Don't compare your life with othrs, you have no idea of the roads they have travelled during their live. It is not necessary to win every argument, one must accept the other person is not in agreement and learn from his position. Make peace wih your past so as not to ruin yout present Edited December 27, 2009 by fullbore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaserF3 Posted December 27, 2009 Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 What is your opinion of this http://www.cosmi.net/uk/ukdettaglio.htm ? I agree in principle that a semi is not the ideal gun for a driven shoot but harfordwmj's bigoted opinion of semi auto shotguns just beggars belief Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted December 27, 2009 Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 I'll try not to sound as condescendingas you while I reply .Yes the branch is unsafe, ut it is only made DANGEROUS by a humans choice, (i.e to stand under it) the same as guns. you are wrong in using the safety aspect of guns as a reason to why the are not allowed on shoots, it certainly wouldn't work with a o/u when the traditionalists/snobs demand s/s. What are you going to do when your tradition offends other religions? They've all but done away with Christmas, but don't worry it won't affect you some thoughts for you Don't compare your life with othrs, you have no idea of the roads they have travelled during their live. It is not necessary to win every argument, one must accept the other person is not in agreement and learn from his position. Make peace wih your past so as not to ruin yout present I actually raised the issue of safety AFTER I criticised SA on a driven day. My initial posts were about the loss of tradition and the introduction of camo wielding gunners. So just deem the safety bit that I said as an extra reason why they shouldn't be used on a driven day. Have a read back through my posts in this thread and you will see that I initially went on about tradition and how they are mechanical machines. THAT is my main point, not safety. After you've done that, come back to me with a worthwhile reply, as all I've had to reply to is allegations of snobbishness and forcing others to spend money and change their ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaserF3 Posted December 27, 2009 Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 (edited) Would it be acceptable for me to use a vintage muzzle loading side by side Just remember that it cannot be "broken" but it is designed for a driven day shooting. p.s. all shotguns are mechanical devices Edited December 27, 2009 by BlaserF3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollie Posted December 27, 2009 Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 harfordwmj and garyb At the end of the day its respect for what you shoot, the same reason people dont shoot from the hip on driven days or scream "geddim geddim geddim! yeaaaahhhhhh!" Tell me how on earth someone who shoots with a double barrelled shotgun has more respect for their quarry than I do when I am on my syndicate shooting with my S/A? If a bird isn't sporting I will always let it go and I will always try and ensure I kill the birds cleanly. I know that the use of double barrelled guns on driven shoots are tradition; but to say that these guns have more respect is ****. Actually I probably have more respect as I spend all year rearing and looking after these birds so I appreciate them more rather than someone going to a driven day and shooting a pile of birds. The safety aspect that is being brought up is a bu11sh1t, like loads of people have already said if someone can't safely handle a gun then they shouldn't own one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted December 27, 2009 Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 (edited) I actually raised the issue of safety AFTER I criticised SA on a driven day. My initial posts were about the loss of tradition and the introduction of camo wielding gunners. So just deem the safety bit that I said as an extra reason why they shouldn't be used on a driven day. Have a read back through my posts in this thread and you will see that I initially went on about tradition and how they are mechanical machines. THAT is my main point, not safety. After you've done that, come back to me with a worthwhile reply, as all I've had to reply to is allegations of snobbishness and forcing others to spend money and change their ways. Shouldn't need any sort of gun then if they wield their camo to any effect. the mechanical issue has been dealt with in another post, they are right you are wrong, arguing tradition now your safety argument has failed is desperation, you sir, were the one who started being patronising, condescending and insulting. Suffice to say I would have NO interest in a golf club nor a shoot that insisted it was necessary to beg borrow or steal the CORRECT clothing to be accepted, tradition or no. Some traditions die out because they were poo. like I said to you in my earlier post It is not necessary to win every argument, one must accept the other person is not in agreement and learn from his position. Make peace with your past so as not to ruin your present Edited December 27, 2009 by fullbore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
groach1234 Posted December 27, 2009 Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 (edited) Shouldn't need any sort of gun then if they wield their camo to any effect. the mechanical issue has been dealt with in another post, they are right you are wrong, arguing tradition now your safety argument has failed is desperation, you sir, were the one who started being patronising, condescending and insulting. Suffice to say I would have NO interest in a golf club nor a shoot that insisted it was necessary to beg borrow or steal the CORRECT clothing to be accepted, tradition or no. Some traditions die out because they were poo. like I said to you in my earlier post It is not necessary to win every argument, one must accept the other person is not in agreement and learn from his position. Make peace with your past so as not to ruin your present So what you are saying is if invited to one of the top shoots in the country ay water priory in yorkshire you would not go if you had to wear tweed and shoot a side by side or if a golfer would turn down a round on the St Andrews golf course because you wanted to wear jeans and a hoody that is utter ******** and you know it you would conform to have the day of your life and have memories for ever simple as and if you didn't you would have to be an utter fool and stubborn as a mule and be chatting complete ****. George Edited December 27, 2009 by groach1234 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted December 27, 2009 Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 Seesh - this is like watching old dogs circling around each other. Soooo - whats the traditional method of ploughing anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollie Posted December 27, 2009 Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 So what you are saying is if invited to one of the top shoots in the country ay water priory in yorkshire you would not go if you had to wear tweed and shoot a side by side or if a golfer would turn down a round on the St Andrews golf course because you wanted to wear jeans and a hoody that is utter ******** and you know it you would conform to have the day of your life and have memories for ever simple as and if you didn't you would have to be an utter fool and stubborn as a mule and be chatting complete ****. George This is the only post for tradition that I actually agree with because someone is not using safety as a bu11sh1t excuse. I am a golfer and I know I would never turn down a round at st.andrews the same way as I wouldn't turn down the chance of shooting at a top estate. I was literally saying in past posts that the safety issue was a terrible excuse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 So what you are saying is if invited to one of the top shoots in the country ay water priory in yorkshire you would not go if you had to wear tweed and shoot a side by side or if a golfer would turn down a round on the St Andrews golf course because you wanted to wear jeans and a hoody that is utter ******** and you know it you would conform to have the day of your life and have memories for ever simple as and if you didn't you would have to be an utter fool and stubborn as a mule and be chatting complete ****. George George you have it exactly right, I would not go, if you read my earlier posts I have already stated I have NO interests in driven shooting, I prefer to hunt my quarry. That said, unlike some others on this August forum, I will defend to the death anothers right to pursue their chosen path, even if I don't agre with it. Therein lies the problem with shooting, the "traditions cause divisions. As I have been trying to point out, people judge other people by how they are themselves, and just because you would leap at such a chance, you naturally assume I would too. That's where you are wrong, and I don't own a hoody and jeans are not my chosen mode of attire either, and I have not insulted you or used profanities and I would expect the same courtesy in return, or is that not part of your "tradition"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RC45 Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 What is your opinion of this http://www.cosmi.net/uk/ukdettaglio.htm ? I agree in principle that a semi is not the ideal gun for a driven shoot but harfordwmj's bigoted opinion of semi auto shotguns just beggars belief The Beretta UGB is similar, in that it is a break barrel. Would a UGB be acceptable?? Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
groach1234 Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 George you have it exactly right, I would not go, if you read my earlier posts I have already stated I have NO interests in driven shooting, I prefer to hunt my quarry. That said, unlike some others on this August forum, I will defend to the death anothers right to pursue their chosen path, even if I don't agre with it. Therein lies the problem with shooting, the "traditions cause divisions. As I have been trying to point out, people judge other people by how they are themselves, and just because you would leap at such a chance, you naturally assume I would too. That's where you are wrong, and I don't own a hoody and jeans are not my chosen mode of attire either, and I have not insulted you or used profanities and I would expect the same courtesy in return, or is that not part of your "tradition"? Right well fair enough if your not into driven game shooting then thats personal choice and in that case you don't have to worry about any potential pit falls of taking a semi to a driven day as you wont ever have to and fully respect your view on hunting quarry and all. I was not saying you wear a hoody and jeans but trying to make a point that sometimes the need arises to dress for an occasion and a that may involve a double-barreled gun on a driven day. Sorry to have caused offense but i was meaning no one who shoots driven birds or plays golf would miss such a chance over a matter of principle over conforming. George Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 Right well fair enough if your not into driven game shooting then thats personal choice and in that case you don't have to worry about any potential pit falls of taking a semi to a driven day as you wont ever have to and fully respect your view on hunting quarry and all. I was not saying you wear a hoody and jeans but trying to make a point that sometimes the need arises to dress for an occasion and a that may involve a double-barreled gun on a driven day. Sorry to have caused offense but i was meaning no one who shoots driven birds or plays golf would miss such a chance over a matter of principle over conforming. George I appreciate that thanks George, however even though I don't wish to do it myself, I think I am still entitled to my opinion, as for a matter of principles, well it depends on how strong your convictions are doesn't it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catamong Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 You've got very strong opinions on a subject you confess you've never tried, and clearly know nothing about. I know nothing about football, I couldn't honestly tell you whether Manchester United play in the same league as Wakefield Trinity, simply not got a clue, therefore I keep very quiet when in the company of those who rave about the game, as my opinion, like yours, comes from ignorance. Cat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 You've got very strong opinions on a subject you confess you've never tried, and clearly know nothing about. I know nothing about football, I couldn't honestly tell you whether Manchester United play in the same league as Wakefield Trinity, simply not got a clue, therefore I keep very quiet when in the company of those who rave about the game, as my opinion, like yours, comes from ignorance. Cat. Again people judging other people by themselves. By your reckoning then historians have no right to speak as they weren't there at the time, there are other ways of gleaning knowledgeWhere exactly did I "confess" I have NEVER tried it. I said I choose not to do it as I prefer to hunt my quarry. SO on this occasion the ignorance is all yours matey. Listen, at one time it was the TRADITION in this country to hunt deer with shotguns on a driven day. Can you imagine the apoplexy that would cause if that was carried out today? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 Snobbery! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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