Paddy Galore! Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 hi, just been reading the BASC web site about deer stalking, although it lists the restrictions regarding lamping/ season, i cant seem to find any mention of the penalties incurred if say, someone were to shoot a deer at night with a shotgun while out lamping for foxes. Also, how or would any of you go about reporting such an incident were it to come to your attention? Just the facts guys, cheers, gram. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinkfooty Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 Wow. There are about three different offences there. I don't know what the maximum penalty is for each of them but if the offender could persuade the Court that it was a genuine error of identification and that he had a legal right to be where he was at the time with his shotgun, then he might get away with the loss of his certificate and a fine of a few hundred £££s. On the other hand, if the Court considered that he had deliberately done it, it would almost certainly mean a couple of years in the clink. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted January 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 try four, a 28g 7.5 cartridge was used... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 try four, a 28g 7.5 cartridge was used... Not just a hypothetical question then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted January 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 unfortunately no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 try four, a 28g 7.5 cartridge was used they want reporting for using them on foxes. as to the rest of it,if you can prove it report it. are you sure it was not lame and was put down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest1957 Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 This has all the information in: http://www.opsi.gov.uk/Acts/acts1991/ukpga...4_en_1#pb1-l1g9 If you have the carcasses you can report it and they should be able to autopsy and see that it is not legal shot (e.g. AAA or above), with regard to time of shooting witnesses could provide evidence. The penalties are up to 3 months plus Scale 4 fine for each offence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted January 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 hi guys, thanks for the info, sorry if it's been a bit vague but it's a complicated situation [friend of my boss] etc. I did tell him it was illegal ie shooting a deer with a sub standard load, at night, no permission to shoot deer on the occupiers land, but the man is a fool! when i see him next i'll give him the run down of the consequences he faces and make it explicitly clear that i'll drop the dime on him next time, i'm still tempted to do it now, or at least have a chat with the local feo. In his defence he said that it was a close range shot of about 15yds but this doesn't account for his attempt on the second roe, and no, they weren't injured, so i really don't have much sympathy for him. What is worrying is that he's thinking of joining a target club to aid his application for an FAC, he wants and i quote "A HUGE EFFIN RIFLE FOR DEER AND COLOUREDS" luckily he doesn't have his own permissioned land as yet and i hope he never gets it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anser2 Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 A few hundred years ago you would have had your hands chopped off if you were lucky , if not then it was death to poach the kings deer. Later they sent you to Australia in chains for a nice holiday for the next 25 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest1957 Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 Also worth pointing out that shotguns can only ever be used to protect crops/timber. The exemption was to allow crofters to protect their interests without that added complication of an fac and buying a rifle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EMcC Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 (edited) Up to six months or £1000 for each offence or both depending on the circumstances and there aren't many circumstances that would get you off. Edited January 16, 2010 by EMcC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crouch valley Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 Gram71 if you have the proof phone the police now people like that make us all look bad and it makes our job twice as hard when it comes to the cull and even when it comes to getting permission. NAME AND SHAME Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 Have a word with your feo so is he is aware of the situation come the guys application shooting sports really don't need people who shoot deer, or foxes for that matter with no 7 shot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
groach1234 Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 Christ that is awful i think you really should do something about it it is very sadening how about recording a conversation on your phone :( he sounds like an absolute ****** with no respect for quarry, you try to warn him so he can't put it down to ignorance George Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted January 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 I've been thinking about this all day, i've come to the conclusion, i'm working in that shop on monday so i'll get all his details then. I also know a policeman who frequents the shop [ he's a shooting man] and i'll pass all the details over to him. Failing that i'll call the FEO and get him a formal warning at least. You guys are right, ignorance is no excuse and it's behaviour like this that really screws it up for everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbo Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 sorry if this makes me sound silly but. what are ' coloureds ? ' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasons gold Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 (edited) Also worth pointing out that shotguns can only ever be used to protect crops/timber. The exemption was to allow crofters to protect their interests without that added complication of an fac and buying a rifle. Not quite true, they can also be used for humane dispatch where you can use from four ten upwards and any shot available. The part about coloureds is ment to be rascist (bobbo) Edited January 16, 2010 by jasons gold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbo Posted January 17, 2010 Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 ah righto for a moment there i thought he ment. brock's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest1957 Posted January 17, 2010 Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 Well yes, I just thought it would be unlikely this guy had found two lamped deer in need of humane dispatch... But fair point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasons gold Posted January 17, 2010 Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 Well yes, I just thought it would be unlikely this guy had found two lamped deer in need of humane dispatch... But fair point Unlikely yes but not impossible. when deer cross a road in front of a car its not the first deer that you have to be worried of it's the ones following behind. But sounds more likely that the guy is just shooting deer at night with a lamp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebarrels Posted January 17, 2010 Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 hi guys, thanks for the info, sorry if it's been a bit vague but it's a complicated situation [friend of my boss] etc. I did tell him it was illegal ie shooting a deer with a sub standard load, at night, no permission to shoot deer on the occupiers land, but the man is a fool! when i see him next i'll give him the run down of the consequences he faces and make it explicitly clear that i'll drop the dime on him next time, i'm still tempted to do it now, or at least have a chat with the local feo.In his defence he said that it was a close range shot of about 15yds but this doesn't account for his attempt on the second roe, and no, they weren't injured, so i really don't have much sympathy for him. What is worrying is that he's thinking of joining a target club to aid his application for an FAC, he wants and i quote "A HUGE EFFIN RIFLE FOR DEER AND COLOUREDS" luckily he doesn't have his own permissioned land as yet and i hope he never gets it. Simple one this REPORT HIM we dont need his sort,sounds like hes a trigger happy fool to me with little respect for his quarry,or shooting BB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted January 18, 2010 Report Share Posted January 18, 2010 I must add this thread to my favourites, could be handy for the next 'why do we need training to shoot deer?' post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted January 18, 2010 Report Share Posted January 18, 2010 there are a lot of rumours to it rather than first hand facts, unless you've seen it with your eyes I'd not get involved as telling plod stories you've heard can come back to bite you if they're not true or there is no evidence. FEO's won't read someone the riot act on the basis of a phone call as lets face it it could be someone just out for vengeance and to try and loose them their ticket Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted January 18, 2010 Report Share Posted January 18, 2010 I don't know what to think about training and Deer stalking. I find it a bit weird that you only get asked to do training for stalking? A Fox deserves the same respect IMO, and a basic mentoring or training requirement for any FAC firearm wouldn't be a bad shout. As for blokes like the one being talked about here, what can you do? Evidence is the key problem. Humane dispatch is fine and all the guy would have to do is say it was limping badly and it would be a real job trying to prove otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted January 18, 2010 Report Share Posted January 18, 2010 apart from... Foxes only come in one type. They don't have seasons. You don't eat them (generally) You sound like a perfect DSC1 candidate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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