FAC shotgun?

[Dafid69]

On 06/11/2024 at 15:16, Scully said:

Crack on then! 👍

I’m aware Canadas can be classed as a pest species and as such can be shot out of season, and was aware you could use a rifle ( which is S1 of course ) but wasn’t aware a S1 shotgun could be used.
Did you ask why it’s illegal to shoot all other species classed as game with a S1 shotgun? 
As far as I know it’s all to do with ‘sporting’ shots, but it would be good to get a definitive. 

Sorry for the delay. You can shoot all game with a section 1 shotgun that you would also use a section 2 on. Mainly avian. It comes down to what type of projectile is appropriate for each quarry not the quantity the weapon contains.

I would use a section 1 rifle (308 5.56 for example) for deer but not a section 1 shotgun.

Basically a sec 1 or 2 shotgun can be used for the same thing when hunting.

Logical thinking would confirm that a 2 or 10 shot shotgun with the same ammo has no difference apart from cartridge quantity. Therefore has exactly the same effect no matter which is used. 

 

 

On 06/11/2024 at 15:30, eightlittlebits said:

Did they give the justification as to the exemption from the Wildlife and Countryside Act? I would guess it's as a pest under GL41 allowing semi-automatic S1 shotguns?

Yeh at BASC she said it's GL 41 or 42 I think it's 42 last I looked. Like other GLs no need to apply just follow the rules.

[Scully]

32 minutes ago, Dafid69 said:

Sorry for the delay. You can shoot all game with a section 1 shotgun that you would also use a section 2 on. Mainly avian. It comes down to what type of projectile is appropriate for each quarry not the quantity the weapon contains.

I would use a section 1 rifle (308 5.56 for example) for deer but not a section 1 shotgun.

Basically a sec 1 or 2 shotgun can be used for the same thing when hunting.

Logical thinking would confirm that a 2 or 10 shot shotgun with the same ammo has no difference apart from cartridge quantity. Therefore has exactly the same effect no matter which is used. 

Where are you getting your info’ from? I think you’re getting confused between what is logical, and what is law, and one has very little to do with the other in the UK. 
For a start, .308 is more or less 7.62, and 5.56 is .22. 
Also it is very much everything to do with magazine capacity which differentiates a S1 shotgun from a S2, nothing else does! 
Also, you may be getting confused with the GL’s and exemptions for ‘avian pest species’. 
You cannot use a S1semi automatic shotgun to shoot game in the UK, not even if you just load two cartridges in a five shot magazine; the gun is still a S1 by definition in law. 

[Dafid69]

On 19/11/2024 at 19:32, Scully said:

Where are you getting your info’ from? I think you’re getting confused between what is logical, and what is law, and one has very little to do with the other in the UK. 
For a start, .308 is more or less 7.62, and 5.56 is .22. 
Also it is very much everything to do with magazine capacity which differentiates a S1 shotgun from a S2, nothing else does! 
Also, you may be getting confused with the GL’s and exemptions for ‘avian pest species’. 
You cannot use a S1semi automatic shotgun to shoot game in the UK, not even if you just load two cartridges in a five shot magazine; the gun is still a S1 by definition in law. 

Yeh sorry got my calibres mixed up.

 

Got my info from BASC firearms who actually worked for Cheshire police up to last year in the firearms department. That's how I know s1 shotty is legal to use on Canada goose

[Scully]

1 hour ago, Dafid69 said:

Yeh sorry got my calibres mixed up.

 

Got my info from BASC firearms who actually worked for Cheshire police up to last year in the firearms department. That's how I know s1 shotty is legal to use on Canada goose

It can be overwhelmingly confusing at times, and you’re not alone. 
Here’s a prime example: You can use your S1 shotgun to shoot Canada geese as part of ‘pest control’ carried out under specific conditions of specific GL’s, but you cannot use it to shoot geese ( Canadas or otherwise ) as part of normal wildfowling activities. Nor can you shoot ducks with it, nor pheasant, partridge, grouse, woodcock, snipe or any other ‘game’ bird. 
You can use it to shoot pigeons however, and various other avian pest species but again only under GL conditions. You can also use it to shoot rabbits. Can’t recall whether you can use it to shoot Hare, but as it’s classed as ‘game’ in England, probably not. 🤷‍♂️

Here’s something to bear in mind however, and don’t misunderstand me as I’m a big fan of S1 shotguns. In real life scenarios, if you empty your 10 shot magazine at whatever, by the time you’ve reloaded to capacity, chances are your quarry has boogered off, so what happens is you start using it like a S2; quickly reloading two or three rounds at most simply to get off more shots. 
In real terms a sxs or OU ejector has a higher rate of fire than a S1 shotgun ( and possibly a S2 ) if both are reloaded to capacity. Perhaps a customised purpose built Practical ‘race’ gun would possibly be faster but I have no experience of those so who knows? 🤷‍♂️
This is one of the reasons you rarely if ever see a self loading shotgun in use at a flush. 
I am more than happy to be corrected on any of the above regarding law, as I find it confusing also. 

Edited 18 hours ago by Scully

[Dafid69]

3 hours ago, Scully said:

It can be overwhelmingly confusing at times, and you’re not alone. 
Here’s a prime example: You can use your S1 shotgun to shoot Canada geese as part of ‘pest control’ carried out under specific conditions of specific GL’s, but you cannot use it to shoot geese ( Canadas or otherwise ) as part of normal wildfowling activities. Nor can you shoot ducks with it, nor pheasant, partridge, grouse, woodcock, snipe or any other ‘game’ bird. 
You can use it to shoot pigeons however, and various other avian pest species but again only under GL conditions. You can also use it to shoot rabbits. Can’t recall whether you can use it to shoot Hare, but as it’s classed as ‘game’ in England, probably not. 🤷‍♂️

Here’s something to bear in mind however, and don’t misunderstand me as I’m a big fan of S1 shotguns. In real life scenarios, if you empty your 10 shot magazine at whatever, by the time you’ve reloaded to capacity, chances are your quarry has boogered off, so what happens is you start using it like a S2; quickly reloading two or three rounds at most simply to get off more shots. 
In real terms a sxs or OU ejector has a higher rate of fire than a S1 shotgun ( and possibly a S2 ) if both are reloaded to capacity. Perhaps a customised purpose built Practical ‘race’ gun would possibly be faster but I have no experience of those so who knows? 🤷‍♂️
This is one of the reasons you rarely if ever see a self loading shotgun in use at a flush. 
I am more than happy to be corrected on any of the above regarding law, as I find it confusing also. 

Yep we do have some quirky laws that don't always make sense. I'm guessing most shooters won't admit to anyone in here if they shoot a game bird with an incorrect calibre or load or rule of thumb s1 or s2 weapon. I bet more than 90% of shooters have done.

But keep that to yourselves.

Funnily enough I've just seen a bolt action 12g Mossberg on FAC S1 and the ad even says 

 

GEESE BEWARE 😁👍

Link below if you wish to have a Gander! 🤣

 

https://www.guntrader.uk/guns/shotguns/mossberg/bolt-action/12-gauge/300-series-220513122041002

 

 

 

 

Edited 15 hours ago by Dafid69