Mephedrone

[Imperfection]

I'd never heard of it until yesterday and i've not excally lived a sheltered life either.All this has done it give it a lot more exposure.

[hendersons]

one of our saturday boys at work takes this and a lot of other illegal and legal drugs, he says that the reason he takes them is because they are easier for him to buy than booze and generally cheaper for a night out.

says the come down is **** though but no worse than a hangover

nick

[smig4373]

It's amazing the lengths some people will go to to get a buzz. Police found a couple of lads near here recently, one had been drinking battery acid, and the other had been snorting gunpowder out of fireworks.

 

Police charged one, and let the other one off.

:good: :(

[Billy.]

My younger brother's an example of what can happen to people who get involved with Drugs...

 

A porsche and his own house by the age of 20.    

[Tommo]

uote name='al4x' date='Mar 18 2010, 01:35 PM' post='1026876']

simple answer is contaminate the UK supply with something lethal and kill off all the drug users and job done

 

 

This is a far better solution . It will get rid of the wasters and end their sad excuse for a life.

 

What completely stupid remark(s)

 

Statistics say that you will know at least two people in a circle of ten friends that use recreational drugs on a regular basis - lets hope your idea kills one or two of them too?

 

As a (what i would call) a veteran clubber - my qualifications are that l been to Ibiza every year for the last 12years, and spend most of my teens in every big club between Edinburgh (After Dark) to Brighton (Honey Club) and have seen friends take every drug known to man to get a high, seen some go onto wonderful lives which are the envy of us all, and heard of others that have died as a result of their adventures.

 

I can honestly say this whole load of rubbish from the media, merely highlights their inability to provide one, the correct information and two, portray it in a balanced well informed manner to which is coherent and manageable in terms of scale.

 

With respect to the two lads that died, this product was found in their system, along (this is the bit they haven't mentioned) with ecstasy, speed and high levels of alcohol. No mention in the mainstream of these other pollutants?

 

What really riles me is that every government health body jumps on the story in protest to its danger to the wider public, when in reality Smoking/Drinking is that largest drain on the NHS forgetting any illnesses or terminal conditions.

 

There was one rule when we were in Ibiza, if you took something, you made sure your friend were around you to look after you. The other thing was that if you took something that you didn't know anything about, if anything happened you are your own person and you are your own responsibility.

 

I'm not saying that the product should be legal, as it is obviously like any other substance a danger in the wrong hands and the ill-informed (and i do include alcohol and smoking in this). But it should be studied and reported upon. If it goes like other posters have mentioned (i.e. an immediate ban and legislation put into place to prosecute offenders) it will go the way of every other class A,B and C drug, easily available on your street.

 

I hear some of you say kill all the druggies, i heard the figure stands at 40% of the 13-25 year olds in this country have tried or are participating in regular illegal drug use - you want to kill all them?

 

T

[kingofkings]

well said Tommo

[pyr8]

we have found kids as young 10 or 11 of there heads after sniffing tippex correction fluid

[Mungler]

uote name='al4x' date='Mar 18 2010, 01:35 PM' post='1026876']

simple answer is contaminate the UK supply with something lethal and kill off all the drug users and job done

 

 

 

 

 

What completely stupid remark(s)

 

Statistics say that you will know at least two people in a circle of ten friends that use recreational drugs on a regular basis - lets hope your idea kills one or two of them too?

 

As a (what i would call) a veteran clubber - my qualifications are that l been to Ibiza every year for the last 12years, and spend most of my teens in every big club between Edinburgh (After Dark) to Brighton (Honey Club) and have seen friends take every drug known to man to get a high, seen some go onto wonderful lives which are the envy of us all, and heard of others that have died as a result of their adventures.

 

I can honestly say this whole load of rubbish from the media, merely highlights their inability to provide one, the correct information and two, portray it in a balanced well informed manner to which is coherent and manageable in terms of scale.

 

With respect to the two lads that died, this product was found in their system, along (this is the bit they haven't mentioned) with ecstasy, speed and high levels of alcohol. No mention in the mainstream of these other pollutants?

 

What really riles me is that every government health body jumps on the story in protest to its danger to the wider public, when in reality Smoking/Drinking is that largest drain on the NHS forgetting any illnesses or terminal conditions.

 

There was one rule when we were in Ibiza, if you took something, you made sure your friend were around you to look after you. The other thing was that if you took something that you didn't know anything about, if anything happened you are your own person and you are your own responsibility.

 

I'm not saying that the product should be legal, as it is obviously like any other substance a danger in the wrong hands and the ill-informed (and i do include alcohol and smoking in this). But it should be studied and reported upon. If it goes like other posters have mentioned (i.e. an immediate ban and legislation put into place to prosecute offenders) it will go the way of every other class A,B and C drug, easily available on your street.

 

I hear some of you say kill all the druggies, i heard the figure stands at 40% of the 13-25 year olds in this country have tried or are participating in regular illegal drug use - you want to kill all them?

 

T

 

 

 

 

Sweet.

 

Tommo's the man to score off then

[PaulABF]

I would try and write a coherent and literate post here but I'm currently smacked off my tits on pledge.

[Alanl50]

I remember when sniffing Curry powder was all the rage, until a lot of people ended up in hospital in a korma.............

Alan

[Alanl50]

It's amazing the lengths some people will go to to get a buzz. Police found a couple of lads near here recently, one had been drinking battery acid, and the other had been snorting gunpowder out of fireworks.

 

Police charged one, and let the other one off.

Alan

[Billy.]

So a police man came up to me with a sniffer dog and said, "This dog tells me you're on Drugs."

 

"I'm on Drugs? You're the one talking to dogs."    

[MPT1]

Some really sensible and positive comments and of course the usual irrational bollo.

 

Personally I agree with the idea of legalising all drugs, but controlling their sale as with alcohol and tobacco.

This would take the incentive away from criminals and provide tax to the government.

 

In the sixties doctors prescribed heroin it was only after this was stopped that criminals became involved.

[alexr]

Some really sensible and positive comments and of course the usual irrational bollo.

 

Personally I agree with the idea of legalising all drugs, but controlling their sale as with alcohol and tobacco.

This would take the incentive away from criminals and provide tax to the government.

 

In the sixties doctors prescribed heroin it was only after this was stopped that criminals became involved.

 

My job is bad enough with out supplying recreational drugs as well.

 

I have seen three cases of methadrone use in the last week. All have had panic attacks and all have ended up in A&E because of the potential cardiac effects of this drug. We should encourage the little toe rags to binge drink, rather than vilifying them for it. Then they would stop looking for these 'legal highs', and we have an idea of what effect the booze has on them. Often we are groping in the dark with the new stuff until we have seen enough post mortem cases to work out what the stuff does.

[ROBLATCH]

the fact that those two boys had also taken Methadone and large amounts of alcohol seems to have been rather swept aside by the fanatical banning brigade.

it's the same with any new drug that comes along - mass hysteria and government hubbub leading to the drug being banned and then pushed underground without any decent testing and research being done.

because it's then an underground drug - it criminalises users and no companies can be held accountable for any damage it may do.

 

i think theres a bit of a mix up here the drug meow meow is mephadrone not methadone (heroin substitute).

a couple of miles from my home (cockfield) was one of the first areas in our region to have access to the drug and you have to actualy see the damage it does to the kids (who are willing and know) what they are taking and the family,s around them.

they know it can kill them or they can kill themselves whilst on a high with it.

i think it needs banning along with all other drugs but this wont stop the easily access of drugs on our streets, where some have been made readily available for years and years.

it just seems to me that ( in my area & i dont know about others) the crime rate has rocketed by these addicts steeling anything and everything to feed their habbit.

we cannot point the finger at only the takers because as we know if there were no takers there would be no dealers but on the other foot if they were no dealers there would be no takers.

its just a shame that we can seem to rid the streets of some narcotics but others are on the doorstep waiting to be distributed.

i feel for the family,s that are left to pick up the pieces of the wrecks which the drugs cause.

rant over.

Edited March 19, 2010 by ROBLATCH

[Beardo]

the reports i read they had taken Mephadrone AND Methadone along with Alcohol

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/is...man/8575889.stm

http://www.datatransmission.co.uk/viewnews.aspx?newsID=4558

 

that's what i mean about it all caught up in the hysteria - this fact is being missed out - they took uppers and alcohol then took downers - big stupid mistake, which through proper eduction

they'd have known how dangerous it can be. it puts massive strain on your cardiovascular system.

Edited March 19, 2010 by nickbeardo

[toka_shigazu]

As part of my work i speak to kids many of whom will admit to having used drugs...some of it may be bravado but a lot of it will be fact. 6 years ago if you asked a class of 14 yr olds if they have ever used cannabis about 30% of them would admit it. last year the same age group was producing a 95% figure for the classes and now a 30% saying the have used or regulalry use cocaine. although we dont know how much of that is true i can say that most parent i talk to tell me they believe their child has tried or is using cannabis....again mor ethan ever before.

 

the other intesting fact is that irrespective of the 'durgs education' given the message the kids are taking away is that it is ok to use illegal drugs....their argument was that they get a package called 'choices' about making the right choice, as they say, 'for them'. They say that all the agencies are giving advice on how to safely take these drugs to minimise risks...BUT if they were really that bad for you, OR really that illegal then everyone should be telling them NOT to do it!! not advising them how to do it with minimising the risks. it was a very convincing argument from the kids themselves [13yrs up to 16/17] and i think it may be about to bring round a change in what they are told and who tells them what...their end message was 'leave us alone to make our own choice and decisions...and dont criticise us when our choice differs from yours, after all we are only doing what you have told us!'

 

gotta say i now my head says legalise it all and regulate it...perhaps [very sadly] it will mean that more deaths will be heard of and that may have a greated effect on the youths as they grow up...perhaps if they have all lost someone personally [freind/relative etc] then it may have an impact..... [but my heart says dont!]

 

ATB

[shot shot]

As part of my work i speak to kids many of whom will admit to having used drugs...some of it may be bravado but a lot of it will be fact. 6 years ago if you asked a class of 14 yr olds if they have ever used cannabis about 30% of them would admit it. last year the same age group was producing a 95% figure for the classes and now a 30% saying the have used or regulalry use cocaine. although we dont know how much of that is true i can say that most parent i talk to tell me they believe their child has tried or is using cannabis....again mor ethan ever before.

 

the other intesting fact is that irrespective of the 'durgs education' given the message the kids are taking away is that it is ok to use illegal drugs....their argument was that they get a package called 'choices' about making the right choice, as they say, 'for them'. They say that all the agencies are giving advice on how to safely take these drugs to minimise risks...BUT if they were really that bad for you, OR really that illegal then everyone should be telling them NOT to do it!! not advising them how to do it with minimising the risks. it was a very convincing argument from the kids themselves [13yrs up to 16/17] and i think it may be about to bring round a change in what they are told and who tells them what...their end message was 'leave us alone to make our own choice and decisions...and dont criticise us when our choice differs from yours, after all we are only doing what you have told us!'

 

gotta say i now my head says legalise it all and regulate it...perhaps [very sadly] it will mean that more deaths will be heard of and that may have a greated effect on the youths as they grow up...perhaps if they have all lost someone personally [freind/relative etc] then it may have an impact..... [but my heart says dont!]

 

ATB

May I ask more about this class of "14 year olds"? Would you say that this class is made up of pupils from lower income families? If it was a school that has a streaming system, would it have been near the bottom? I ask not to poke holes, just trying to understand it. I went through a school in which the lower half of the streaming system would have fallen into the "95%" category, whereas the upper half would have been represented as 30% or lower. The two halves then got separated, and of that upper half, I would say the figures would still be about 30-40% (In sixth year, 17/18). Of the rest, I can't really say, it's been 4 years since I've had significant contact with them. (The percentage would remain about equal I reckon).

 

There is one important thing to note though, the lower tier ones were generally of lower income families.

 

O, and for the whole mephadrone argument, personally, it would be better to keep it legal, but actually enforce the sale and manufacture of it (over 18s only, certain amount at a time, that sort of thing). If it's made illegal, then the dealers will start cutting it with god only knows what in order to make a few more bucks. Not to mention that 3 months down the line, they'll have changed the formula around a bit, it's officially legal again, and the problem persists.

 

I recommend people read this article (including the comments at the bottom): http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn1867...-be-banned.html

 

I have friends that will openly admit to trying it, along with a list as long as your arm, but they are by far amongst the minority. Whilst it doesn't seem to have done any harm, yet, to these guys, personally I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole. Not because it's illegal (I wouldn't care tbh) but because there aren't years of pharmaceutical trials, etc. That's one of the major problems with these drugs, when the small change is made to the molecular structure to make it legal again, there can be huge differences in the way the body metabolises it (or doesn't).

 

atb :o

[hambone]

Alcohol kills how many ?

Smoking kills how many ?

All the other drugs ?

This made a good story for the press.

How many are now going to try something they never before heard of with who knows what consequences ?

[toka_shigazu]

Hi, not sure as to the streaming process but the school gets good/oustanding ofstead and is the main one in a very afluent area although there are some from poorer families there [that was an eye opener there as i would dread to think what an inner city school figures would be]

the problem here [perhaps like many places] as i see it is there is very little for youths to do easily [without needing lifts/lots of money/suitable for them etc - that said i was brought up in a tiny village with nothing to do but use your imagination with play/sport/farmwork] and often the well to do parents having had a hard week at work dont really want their children in clutterring the place while they relax so they get sent out [sometimes with copious amounts of alcohol] to do as they wish....so they do!

a lot of the kids will tell you they 'get off their heads' as there isnt anything else to do...