bennyblanco Posted March 21, 2010 Report Share Posted March 21, 2010 Had my 1st loads made and tested them this morning, they were 40gr Vmax over 23gr and 24gr of N130 and set back quite far from the lands. The 23gr grouped @.475 centre to centre at 100yds with four of the shots @.155 The four 24gr shots grouped @.844 so we had a clear winner. I took it back to about 225yds measured on google earth rather than paces and shot three more to see the drop, well happy with the 1.1" group considering I just blatted them off one after the other instead of the previous heavy breathing and waiting for things to cool down. They however dropped about 3.2" on average which seems a bit slower than I had expected. With my scope height being 1.9" and the BC of .200 I think they are only doing 3200fps using a ballistics program. The only book we had with the n130/40gr hornady combination started loads at 21gr and went up to 24.6gr from memory, does anyone have any different info? I obviously need to chronograph them but I'm not sure what to do, my aims were cheapness, velocity and accuracy for those 250yds foxes. Factory stuff which always seems to do about .8" is going up and no one ever seems to stock the same rounds when I go back a year later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted March 21, 2010 Report Share Posted March 21, 2010 Hi, Just had a quick check, short on time, but it looks like you're a bit high at 100. My 40 nosler when zeroed at 100 matches your figure (ish) at 225. My MV is about 3500. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted March 21, 2010 Report Share Posted March 21, 2010 I think they are only doing 3200fps :angry: never seen anything that can dodge one at that speed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doggone Posted March 21, 2010 Report Share Posted March 21, 2010 Had my 1st loads made and tested them this morning, they were 40gr Vmax over 23gr and 24gr of N130 and set back quite far from the lands.The 23gr grouped @.475 centre to centre at 100yds with four of the shots @.155 The four 24gr shots grouped @.844 so we had a clear winner. I took it back to about 225yds measured on google earth rather than paces and shot three more to see the drop, well happy with the 1.1" group considering I just blatted them off one after the other instead of the previous heavy breathing and waiting for things to cool down. They however dropped about 3.2" on average which seems a bit slower than I had expected. With my scope height being 1.9" and the BC of .200 I think they are only doing 3200fps using a ballistics program. The only book we had with the n130/40gr hornady combination started loads at 21gr and went up to 24.6gr from memory, does anyone have any different info? I obviously need to chronograph them but I'm not sure what to do, my aims were cheapness, velocity and accuracy for those 250yds foxes. Factory stuff which always seems to do about .8" is going up and no one ever seems to stock the same rounds when I go back a year later. I believe for the purposes of measuring groups you measure from centre to centre of the bullet holes, so your groups are better than you thought. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted March 21, 2010 Report Share Posted March 21, 2010 I think they are only doing 3200fps :unsure: never seen anything that can dodge one at that speed. Sorry about that, had to meet a train. Checked properly, and what Mark says, perhaps a tad more. The 0.5" ish high will give you 150yd ish zero. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeymagic1969 Posted March 21, 2010 Report Share Posted March 21, 2010 I believe for the purposes of measuring groups you measure from centre to centre of the bullet holes, so your groups are better than you thought.Andy They Correct way to measure is out side to outside and then take off the bullet diameter from the total Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inthedark Posted March 21, 2010 Report Share Posted March 21, 2010 Hi mate, the 23gr load load you have is fine, it doesn't matter how quick they are as long as they hit the mark. If you zero 1" high at 100 yds you'll kill everthing at point of aim to 200 and chart the rest. You're unlikely to shoot many foxes over that anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamie g Posted March 21, 2010 Report Share Posted March 21, 2010 good going make 5 more of the 23 grains at the same col and then two more lots of 5 up at different col see how they go. by the look of it tho those ones are going well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyb Posted March 21, 2010 Report Share Posted March 21, 2010 Their all dead foxes As addictive as reloading is, I became very fixated with trying to shoot same whole groups with my 223 @ 100yards... Ok.. I've managed to do it after lots of trial and error- but I doub't Mr Fox really cares ?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennyblanco Posted March 22, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 Cheers for the replies, I am very happy with the groups but was hoping for something flatter out at long range as my range finding at night is awful with night vision. At least I have an idea of holdover now which was about 1/2 a dot. One of the cases also showed burning at the bottom (where the rim is on a .22lr) is this a bad sign? pic below: They Correct way to measure is out side to outside and then take off the bullet diameter from the total Sorry should have said, I opened the calipers to .224 and then zeroed them which I think gives centre to centre when you measure edge to edge :unsure: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted March 22, 2010 Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 Hi, All my working life I've used a traditional vernier but now have an electronic version. Because it was not possible with the old, I would never in a million years have thought about your zeroeing trick. Simplicity is genius. Many thanks for the tip which may have been blindingly obvious to everyone else but not to me. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inthedark Posted March 22, 2010 Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 Benny, are you 'avin a larf, or are you genuinely concerned about your shooting? (refer to the group pictured above) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennyblanco Posted March 22, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 Benny, are you 'avin a larf, or are you genuinely concerned about your shooting? (refer to the group pictured above) I might be missing the point but I am over the moon with the group, I am concerned (probably unnecessarily) with why its so slow though. The reloading book I looked at showed 23gr being not that far off the maximum of 24.6gr which would be giving circa 3800fps+ and so I was hoping for 3500-3600fps and aiming straight at anything I could see through my 7.5X scope. I guess its not going to happen with a 19" barrel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeymagic1969 Posted March 22, 2010 Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 I guess its not going to happen with a 19" barrel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inthedark Posted March 22, 2010 Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 Now I'm with you. I load 26.2gr of vit 140 to drive a 55gr vmax. Its a long time since I had it chrono'd but as far as I can remember it was doing 3250? Sounds like there's room for some more fire under them! Dont be surprised if your grouping goes to pot though!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vmax55 Posted March 22, 2010 Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 what rifle have you got benny out of interest? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennyblanco Posted March 22, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 what rifle have you got benny out of interest? Its a Steyr prohunter mountain, I would happily buy one again although the price tag has gone up over £300 since I bought mine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tignme Posted March 23, 2010 Report Share Posted March 23, 2010 What type and where do you get your targets. cheers Barry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennyblanco Posted March 24, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2010 What type and where do you get your targets. cheers Barry I think they are called Shoot'n'see but spelt differently and you just stick them on things, I use A4 card so it doesn't tear. LINK This is not the best price on the net and your local shop should sell them too. HTH ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamie g Posted March 24, 2010 Report Share Posted March 24, 2010 you can get these targets on ebay pretty cheap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Everhopefull Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 What's the twist on your steyr please, as I'm experimenting with Vit N130, my 223 has a 1:12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennyblanco Posted April 6, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 6, 2010 What's the twist on your steyr please, as I'm experimenting with Vit N130, my 223 has a 1:12 Its a 1in9 mate :look: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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