FAC Problems

[goldypurple]

I applied for my FAC coterminous, back in December, finally today i receive a telephone call from my FLO saying i thought i should give you a ring as i had contacted the FL office. Which i shall add was after the 12 week period. I apllied for .22, .223 and 308. One reason was for target range shooting as im a member of a club, and the other reasons was for vermin control and deer managment. All with moderators.

 

I submitted a letter with my application stating that im range qualified and ex military and explained that i have no land permissions as such. But am seeking permission but not easy and also explained that i had my DSC 1 booked for April. Along with the letter i provided evidence of stalking that ive booked going back to August last year . Im also a trainee deer manager on mod land, ive just gotta wait a while for the permission letter from them. In the letter i explained that most of my vermin and stalking is by invite and bought days.

 

Now the problem is, i think he is quite happy to give me the rifles for target shooting, but he has requested authorisation letters from the places i go stalking, personally i think this is wrong to ask a buisiness for a letter to say i have permission to stalk with their guide.

 

 

When i asked why, he went on to say, it so we can work out what conditions to put on my certificate, also he didnt want to do my inspection and chat until ive done my DSC, which i also think is wrong.

 

I think if i had not rung the office, i think i would still be waiting for the call, and he would of been in contact after my DSC, my visit is now booked for the 22 April after my DSC.

 

What do you guys think, and do you think i should seek advice from BASC

Edited March 25, 2010 by goldypurple

[Raja Clavata]

Seem to be a law unto themselves but don't give 'em the 'ump or they can make life very difficult for you! Afraid you have to eat large amounts of humble ...

 

Advice from BASC is all very well and good but think carefully before taking any action which could be to your detriment.

[al4x]

unfortunately thats how it works, to get an FAC for vermin or deer you have to have land to shoot them on. Range shooting is one thing but you've complicated the application by going for conditions you cannot get without land to shoot on. The deer calibre is one thing as you might get that for stalking on bought days but not the others

[Dekers]

From what you say you have not shown any specific need or experience or land for field work, especially larger calibres/quarry.

 

That seems to be the issue, I'm not trying to be funny but you are not generally likely to be issued any field calibre on what you want to do, hope to do or are thinking of doing...hence why they want to see some commitment, such as a DSC and some confirmed booking references from the paid stalk...not just a letter to them!!!

 

It's a pain in the rear but thats the way it is, otherwise the police would end up dishing out .243/.308 and deer conditions for everyone...just because they wanted them!!

 

Edit

Tools for target work whilst a member of an appropriate club would normally be quite straightforward to obtain.

Edited March 25, 2010 by Dekers

[goldypurple]

Yes i understand about the range stuff that is fine.

 

I have sent evidence of stalking, receipts of bought stalking going back as far as August last year. so it not just a letter.

 

I also have a place as a trainee deer manager on mod land, so i have somewhere to go stalking, just i cant get a permission letter yet.

 

If that the case i dont know how these people manage to get tickets, based on bought days and they end up with it open from the start with no land.

 

Dont understand it lol

[al4x]

no offence meant but you've been trying to find a way round the licensing requirements on a few forums and you would probably manage it with the deer one but going for all 3 on the basis of bought stalking is optimistic. If you get them for range use do the DSC and try and get the deer rifle for bought days you stand a chance but what you really need is some land to use them on.

[Dave-G]

"and the other reasons was for vermin control and deer managment. All with moderators".

 

The key to your non - range conditions is "good reason".

 

Those of us with "vermin" conditions had to look ok, sound ok and work hard at getting and keeping somewhere to satisfy a land owner that we might be ok to stroll about their land, alone, whilst armed and shoot what he wants shot.

 

If you have land to shoot vermin on the path is clear and the FEO has little reason to reject your vermin application because you have supplied the legal requirement: anything other and you start towards being someone who wants to shoot vermin but have not been successfull about finding someone to grant you access to their land with a rifle. His duty is to establish you HAVE good reason rather than intend or want to get it.

 

It's a specific licensing requirement.

[starlight32]

I applied for my FAC coterminous, back in December, finally today i receive a telephone call from my FLO saying i thought i should give you a ring as i had contacted the FL office. Which i shall add was after the 12 week period. I apllied for .22, .223 and 308. One reason was for target range shooting as im a member of a club, and the other reasons was for vermin control and deer managment. All with moderators.

 

I submitted a letter with my application stating that im range qualified and ex military and explained that i have no land permissions as such. But am seeking permission but not easy and also explained that i had my DSC 1 booked for April. Along with the letter i provided evidence of stalking that ive booked going back to August last year . Im also a trainee deer manager on mod land, ive just gotta wait a while for the permission letter from them. In the letter i explained that most of my vermin and stalking is by invite and bought days.

 

Now the problem is, i think he is quite happy to give me the rifles for target shooting, but he has requested authorisation letters from the places i go stalking, personally i think this is wrong to ask a buisiness for a letter to say i have permission to stalk with their guide.

 

 

When i asked why, he went on to say, it so we can work out what conditions to put on my certificate, also he didnt want to do my inspection and chat until ive done my DSC, which i also think is wrong.

 

I think if i had not rung the office, i think i would still be waiting for the call, and he would of been in contact after my DSC, my visit is now booked for the 22 April after my DSC.

 

What do you guys think, and do you think i should seek advice from BASC

 

 

I think you are are possibly calling for confusion due to the option you have on range terms.

 

I dont know much about the range side of things for FAC but I think in your position I would have applied for your FAC for range use and then done the deer bit bolt on later.

 

I do know fellas who own a centerfire on the basis of paid stalking/big game hunting, with no land- but then again these are guys who have money and pay a grand for one shot in the Scotland who can establish their use on a regular basis and also been doing for for years.

 

It like it all these days most of us who have had FAC for number of years get on with few problems within reason. Centerfire is now a bit of a taboo especially on first application.

 

I have to say that I have no intention of ever doing a DSC1, but obviously if it ever became a condition to keep a .243 and above I would have to do it like everyone else.

[Billy.]

As above, you're trying to find a way to get a rifle to shoot live quarry, but without the land... The system is in place and there's no point in trying to cheat it, as it'll just be you who gets a mark next to your name.

 

We all had to go through the same wait for permission and eventually it pays off. You're just going to have to wait.