Do I need a variation ?

[Birdboy]

If i was to go into my local rfd and px a moderator, and buy a moderator from them, do i need a variation. Its for a .243.

 

Equally, if i was to sell a moderator to a member on PW who has an empty slot, how would that work ? Im in Devon & Cornwall constabulary so maybe it isnt the same across the country. Would i need a variation ? Im guessing yes.

 

Im planning to call the police in the morning, but thouhgt id put it on here for quicker advice.

 

Thanks

 

BB

[william1]

hi my name is trev. i was told if i wanted to by a other mod that i can surrender it too the r f d with a letter from him . then apply for a replacement hope this help's /trev

[Dekers]

Making the assumption the moderator is already on your FAC, then Yes, you need a variation.

 

Always has seemed daft to me this one, but thats the way it is!

[eddoakley]

If i was to go into my local rfd and px a moderator, and buy a moderator from them, do i need a variation. Its for a .243.

 

Equally, if i was to sell a moderator to a member on PW who has an empty slot, how would that work ? Im in Devon & Cornwall constabulary so maybe it isnt the same across the country. Would i need a variation ? Im guessing yes.

 

Im planning to call the police in the morning, but thouhgt id put it on here for quicker advice.

 

Thanks

 

BB

 

If you already have a mod for the .243 on fac then you can sell it to anyone with a slot for it or to rfd without a variation, just do the transfer paperwork. There is no need for variation as you are not getting an extra or different cal. firearm. Dont take my word for it but ask your feo and I'm sure he will agree

Edd

[DaveK]

. Dont take my word for it but ask your feo and I'm sure he will agree

Edd

 

I'm pretty sure he won't. A moderator is (or should be) dealt with the same as a firearm. That's why it's named and accounted for on your ticket. Legally if you dispose of a moderator you need a variation to release the slot to get another one. I'll add to that if you have a moderator that is recorded as a .223 mod, you can't sell it to anyone who hasn't got a .223 mod slot on their ticket even if it's suitable for another calibre.

 

BUT

 

As different FL departments have different ideas, some people might get away with it. I do know that many FLO's think it's ridiculous and that mods should be treated the same as any other accessory but until someone changes the law ............... Equally some RFD's will swap it out if your ticket states no name and no visible number.

[groach1234]

I have hear it can be gotten around if the mod is on your ticket as just a moderator no serial number or make etc then you could have a word and see if the rfd would swap with you save on a variation but this is only what i have heard

 

George

[wild-fire]

If i was to go into my local rfd and px a moderator, and buy a moderator from them, do i need a variation. Its for a .243.

 

Equally, if i was to sell a moderator to a member on PW who has an empty slot, how would that work ? Im in Devon & Cornwall constabulary so maybe it isnt the same across the country. Would i need a variation ? Im guessing yes.

 

Im planning to call the police in the morning, but thouhgt id put it on here for quicker advice.

 

Thanks

 

BB

 

you have pm

[Birdboy]

Thanks to all who replied.

 

I will speak to feo in the morning to get clarity.

 

BB

[Billy.]

Can't you do a 1 for 1 on a mod?

[Dekers]

Can't you do a 1 for 1 on a mod?

 

Yep, and that's what he will have to do if he intends to sell one and buy another!

[inthedark]

You would need to off load your existing mod to the rfd, with a variation in to the feo to retain that slot on your ticket to buy another. when that variation comes back from the feo you then pick up your new moderator.

[Billy.]

Yep, and that's what he will have to do if he intends to sell one and buy another!

 

So basically he can have a free variation.

 

£26 saved

[Dekers]

If you already have a mod for the .243 on fac then you can sell it to anyone with a slot for it or to rfd without a variation, just do the transfer paperwork. There is no need for variation as you are not getting an extra or different cal. firearm. Dont take my word for it but ask your feo and I'm sure he will agree

Edd

 

 

I'm pretty sure he won't. A moderator is (or should be) dealt with the same as a firearm. That's why it's named and accounted for on your ticket. Legally if you dispose of a moderator you need a variation to release the slot to get another one. I'll add to that if you have a moderator that is recorded as a .223 mod, you can't sell it to anyone who hasn't got a .223 mod slot on their ticket even if it's suitable for another calibre.

 

BUT

 

As different FL departments have different ideas, some people might get away with it. I do know that many FLO's think it's ridiculous and that mods should be treated the same as any other accessory but until someone changes the law ............... Equally some RFD's will swap it out if your ticket states no name and no visible number.

 

I have to say I'm with DaveK here, it is an extra or different firearm, that is the root of the problem, Birdboy wants to sell one and get another.

 

As harfordwmj also said, 1 for 1 variation required!

 

 

It will be interesting to hear the FEO response to this one!

[al4x]

Though they are down as a firearm common sense can prevail, as said if you have a mod that is just listed as a sound mod then you can just swap it if your gunshop will do it. If its type etc is listed then you need to do a 1 for 1 variation which is a ball ache. Lets face it mods aren't dangerous on their own so FEO's don't tend to be too bothered about them

[Billy.]

Though they are down as a firearm common sense can prevail, as said if you have a mod that is just listed as a sound mod then you can just swap it if your gunshop will do it. If its type etc is listed then you need to do a 1 for 1 variation which is a ball ache. Lets face it mods aren't dangerous on their own so FEO's don't tend to be too bothered about them

 

If you look at my ticket, I have 6 slots which are written the following:

 

Sound Moderator/.22LR/Maker Unknown

Sound Moderator/.22LR/Maker Unknown

Sound Moderator/.22-250/Steel Sound Moderator

Sound Moderator/.17HMR/Sound Moderator

..and so on...

 

As Al4x has said, you could get your RFD to swap them, if you get along well enough to do that.

 

In my case, if I swapped a sound mod, for say, my .22LR mod, it'd be silly to inform the police if there's no detail or serial number on the new mod, as they'd be none the wiser about what mod you've picked up

Edited April 12, 2010 by harfordwmj

[wild-fire]

If you look at my ticket, I have 6 slots which are written the following:

 

Sound Moderator/.22LR/Maker Unknown

Sound Moderator/.22LR/Maker Unknown

Sound Moderator/.22-250/Steel Sound Moderator

Sound Moderator/.17HMR/Sound Moderator

..and so on...

 

As Al4x has said, you could get your RFD to swap them, if you get along well enough to do that.

 

In my case, if I swapped a sound mod, for say, my .22LR mod, it'd be silly to inform the police if there's no detail or serial number on the new mod, as they'd be none the wiser about what mod you've picked up

[Paddy Galore!]

i think the only major concern is that someone might pick up a moderator without a slot for it on their license.

[wild-fire]

As they are stacked down at middlemoor they may grant a temorary permit so he cam have 2 mods on his ticket for the time it takes to get the new one on and get rid of the old one even if it is done same day,i have had his with a .243,this saves the time waitnig for the fac back.

 

nice morning

 

regards all

[DaveK]

i think the only major concern is that someone might pick up a moderator without a slot for it on their license.

 

I'd willingly accept a pound from each member of this and other sites who has a moderator that's not on their ticket. I'd be a rich man.

 

The farce is that not all moderators have to be entered onto a ticket. If it's not proofed then it's not recordable. I can't, in all honesty, see the need for mods to be recorded. They're not a component part of a firearm, they're an accessory.

[eddoakley]

I have to say I'm with DaveK here, it is an extra or different firearm, that is the root of the problem, Birdboy wants to sell one and get another.

 

As harfordwmj also said, 1 for 1 variation required!

 

 

It will be interesting to hear the FEO response to this one!

 

 

If you look at my ticket, I have 6 slots which are written the following:

 

Sound Moderator/.22LR/Maker Unknown

Sound Moderator/.22LR/Maker Unknown

Sound Moderator/.22-250/Steel Sound Moderator

Sound Moderator/.17HMR/Sound Moderator

..and so on...

 

As Al4x has said, you could get your RFD to swap them, if you get along well enough to do that.

 

In my case, if I swapped a sound mod, for say, my .22LR mod, it'd be silly to inform the police if there's no detail or serial number on the new mod, as they'd be none the wiser about what mod you've picked up :blink:

 

 

This post makes mine a little clearer, I have 3 mods on my ticket and they are all down as NVN, no visible number, if i sell one to someone with a slot and buy another with no visible number then ther would be no need for the variation. The only problem i could see is if one was sold to someone without a slot on their ticket Then there certainly could be trouble

Edd

[Birdboy]

The definitive answer is here !!

 

Spoke to D&C Police today.

 

Basically, if i want to sell my mod and buy a mod, i need to do the following.

 

Sell the mod (which i have today done privately) and write to the polcie in the normal manner to say i have 'disposed of' the mod and who to. Within the same envelope, enclose my license and variation form to request a one for one. Hey presto, an open slot !! This way, you can save £26.

 

Wild-Fire thought perhaps i could get a temporary permit, but the feo said it would take as long as a variation to come back !

 

Anyway, variation filled in, sold form filled in the private buyer, and licence - all in an envelope ready to be hand-delivered tomorrow first thing. You never know, i might get the variation back in time for Christmas !

 

Other good news is i have ordered a ASE North Star today too for a great price. A PW member recommended i speak to 'Countryman Of Derby'. A really helpful owner called Martin gavce me a cracking deal on a proofed North Star £55-£80 cheaper than i can get locally. Only charged £5.90 next day delivery too. Looking forward to trying it out.

 

Thanks again to all who replied.

 

BB

[Dekers]

This post makes mine a little clearer, I have 3 mods on my ticket and they are all down as NVN, no visible number, if i sell one to someone with a slot and buy another with no visible number then ther would be no need for the variation. The only problem i could see is if one was sold to someone without a slot on their ticket Then there certainly could be trouble

Edd

 

The problem with this situation is when you want to buy another from a RFD who will not sell you one without a slot, and if he did he still has to notify the law himself so this would put someone in the dogs doings! :blink: