geoffw Posted June 10, 2010 Report Share Posted June 10, 2010 Hi all, Recently acquired an HW100T and getting some good grouping and rabbiting results, but can't claim to have mastered the trajectory at varying ranges yet. I know I'm opening a whole can of worms by asking but... Can I get any thoughts please on best hunting pellets for flatter trajectories (but with stopping power/weight)? When do you use the different shaped pellets- dome vs pointed- or is this a gimmick? Is there any advantage to double waisted pellets? Finally- what barrel cleaning regime should I follow please and any top-tips on the best rod/snake/pellets to use to clean the barrel. Many thanks! Geoff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted June 10, 2010 Report Share Posted June 10, 2010 Forget all that nonesense about trajectories and get on with your shooting! Seriously, if you check out the Chairgun data (available as a free download) you will see that it is possible to set your .22 up to give a 1" diameter kill zone between 8 yds and 30 yds. That is more than adequate for any rabbit shooting I have done. Forget the trajectory issue and use a pellet that is accurate and kills cleanly. I use JSB Exacts or AA Fields. Both are extremely accurate and soft enough to deform on impact and transfer all their energy into the target. Avoid hard pellets such as Logun Penetrators or Defiants as they can go straight through quarry without dropping it. Not as important with rabbits given headshots are normal granted, but for squirrels and pigeons you need a pellet that sticks rather than penetrates. Don't bother cleaning your barrel unless you use Pax pellets. Apparently with those pellets any inaccuracies are down to not having clean barrels Stick with the tried and tested brands and you won't go wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted June 10, 2010 Report Share Posted June 10, 2010 Forget all that nonesense about trajectories and get on with your shooting! Seriously, if you check out the Chairgun data (available as a free download) you will see that it is possible to set your .22 up to give a 1" diameter kill zone between 8 yds and 30 yds. That is more than adequate for any rabbit shooting I have done. Forget the trajectory issue and use a pellet that is accurate and kills cleanly. I use JSB Exacts or AA Fields. Both are extremely accurate and soft enough to deform on impact and transfer all their energy into the target. Avoid hard pellets such as Logun Penetrators or Defiants as they can go straight through quarry without dropping it. Not as important with rabbits given headshots are normal granted, but for squirrels and pigeons you need a pellet that sticks rather than penetrates. Don't bother cleaning your barrel unless you use Pax pellets. Apparently with those pellets any inaccuracies are down to not having clean barrels Stick with the tried and tested brands and you won't go wrong I was under the impression they were the same pellet..if not they are very similar and BOTH are good in my Falcon! Dome head and a pellet that works in your barrel is important..the JSB and AA both come in variations of 5.5mm. Mine likes the 5.51, the 5.52 are too tight!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardo Posted June 10, 2010 Report Share Posted June 10, 2010 try some different types and see what groups well in yours, but personally - i use Accupells Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryantidgwell Posted June 10, 2010 Report Share Posted June 10, 2010 accupells all the way , or go for the exact same pellet "CROSSMAN ULTRA MAGNUMS" since crossman sold accupells to webley they have brought out the magnums exact same pellet weight everything just £3 a tin cheaper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted June 10, 2010 Report Share Posted June 10, 2010 I was under the impression they were the same pellet..if not they are very similar and BOTH are good in my Falcon! Dome head and a pellet that works in your barrel is important..the JSB and AA both come in variations of 5.5mm. Mine likes the 5.51, the 5.52 are too tight!! They are very similar and have virtually the same POI, but are not quite the same and slightly less accurate in my gun. FWIW I did some pellet trials with my HW100S and in order of accuracy listing only those that I would consider accurate enough to hunt with, they were: JSB Exact AA Field Crosman Ultra Heavy Accupel H&N FTT RWS Superdome (up to 30m) RWS Hobby (up to 25m) The worst by far were Logun Penetrators and Pax Defiants. Both gave a wider spread overall with around one in five going way wide. Also, the pellets that deformed best were JSB Exact and AA Fields. The others were too hard for my liking on pigeons and squirrels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swiss.tony Posted June 10, 2010 Report Share Posted June 10, 2010 same here another vote for crossman mags ten shot in a 10 pence group at 50 yards every time dont bother cleanin barrel not cleaned mine in 2 years from new still mega accuret ur wasteing ur time also set up 3- or-4 targets at different rages 35 40 45 50 easy way to work out ur hold over or mill dots hope that helps swiss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxnet22 Posted June 10, 2010 Report Share Posted June 10, 2010 i use accupells in mine but the air arms field are also an excellent pellet but for rats i think a softer pellet should be used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted June 10, 2010 Report Share Posted June 10, 2010 Basically, avoid pointed pellets. Hardly any stopping power. They'll just go straight through the bunny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucas Posted June 11, 2010 Report Share Posted June 11, 2010 Hi all,Recently acquired an HW100T and getting some good grouping and rabbiting results, but can't claim to have mastered the trajectory at varying ranges yet. I know I'm opening a whole can of worms by asking but... Can I get any thoughts please on best hunting pellets for flatter trajectories (but with stopping power/weight)? When do you use the different shaped pellets- dome vs pointed- or is this a gimmick? Is there any advantage to double waisted pellets? Finally- what barrel cleaning regime should I follow please and any top-tips on the best rod/snake/pellets to use to clean the barrel. Many thanks! Geoff rws super h point are one to try. used them in a hw80k hw97k and hw35 all with good accuracy and power upon impact. - nt the most expensive either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Downie Posted June 11, 2010 Report Share Posted June 11, 2010 I used to use a .22 Air Ranger and (although I'm not proud of it and wouldn't recommend it) I did in the past shoot rabbits out to 50yds with it on still evenings (off bipod, with rangefinder etc etc) using AA Fields. In my opinion the only shot to take a rabbit with is a head shot, so you have to be confident about hitting a 10p-sized target at your chosen range. If you are confident about that, then it doesn't matter if the pellet is flat/domed/pointy/double-waisted/heavy/light or anything else - if you hit the rabbit between the eye and the base of the ear then it'll be a clean kill. Choose the pellets which produce the best groups out of your barrel. Note - very young rabbits can bounce around for AGES, even though they've been shot through the head and are stone dead. It's alarming, but not a sign that your calibre or pellet is inappropriate... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kit Monster Posted June 11, 2010 Report Share Posted June 11, 2010 Another vote for accupels! Best pellet I've tried for my .22ks by far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoffw Posted June 11, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2010 Great, thank you all; pellet shape: anything but pointed; soft not hard, and I'll have a go with JSB Exacts, AA Field & Accupel over time. And no barrel cleaning either- happy days! UK Poacher- thanks for the Chairgun prompt! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clubshot Posted June 13, 2010 Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 Defiant 5.52 works in most known HW100's and @ 14.00 Grains well flat And Still hit's home Hard As more Shooters are finding out All Pax Pellets are made on single Die Machines - where pellets are Stamped out From quality Wire So you Only get one head size in the box - also pellets where slug is weighed before Stamped Unlike most other imported pellets - which has multi head pellets Also not Effected by UK Weak £ - where prices have remained Stable for last two years As a growing number that have there own minds are finding out BOB/R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BattleFieldRelics Posted June 13, 2010 Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 An interesting thread and some good points made. I've always used logun penetrators and never really thought about them as being hard. (Although all my FAC ammo is 'soft'). With my HW100 I put the loguns through the same hole at 25 metres on paper targets and lastnight I shot a fly at 20 metres. The gun is so accurate that I deliver headshots however there is a possibility of missing and hitting the chest area. With this in mind I think I'm gonna give the JSB exacts a go when my pellet tin is empty. They are about £1.50 cheaper and you get an extra 100 over the loguns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted June 13, 2010 Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 Another predictable free advert for Pax pellets from Clubshot. Strange that the only recommendation for Defiants comes from someone who sells them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Downie Posted June 13, 2010 Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 Strange that the only recommendation for Defiants comes from someone who sells them To be fair, they do work very well through my gun on a calm day, and I believe they are a lot more consistent (in terms of manufacture) than many other pellets. Every one looks perfect with no raggedy or bent skirts. I don't know anything about pellet design, but my guess is that the skirts are just a tiny bit light, and can get caught by the wind too easily. It wouldn't harm the pellets to be a wee bit heavier I reckon, so the skirt could maybe be made a bit heavier - what d'you think Bob? If you could solve the wind problem, I'd never buy any other pellet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted June 13, 2010 Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 I put some Loguns through my HW100 and at least one in five went ta-tas. Way off target. Shooting wood pigeons one day and I couldn't understand how they were flying off after being hit. Then I twigged. The puff of feathers was from the exit wound. The pellet had gone straight through and allowed the pigeon to fly off and die elsewhere. Same when rook branching last year. I tried four pellets in two guns and the LPs were by for the worst for killing outright. In the end I gave away the four boxes I'd bought. I've tried all sorts of pellets including Defiants in several guns and none are as accurate or have the stopping power of JSB Exacts or AA Fields, especially with squirrels and woodies. They cost less too. If you want a well made good to look at pellet then fair dos. I want one that is accurate and has stopping power and it doesn't matter what it looks like. If you check out the Defiant Pellet forum you'll see there's not much going on. The only time you hear of them is when Clubshot pipes up with his free advertising. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Downie Posted June 13, 2010 Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 If you want a well made good to look at pellet then fair dos. I want one that is accurate and has stopping power and it doesn't matter what it looks like. If you check out the Defiant Pellet forum you'll see there's not much going on. The only time you hear of them is when Clubshot pipes up with his free advertising. What I *really* want is a tin full of pellets that are all exactly the same diameter and weight! And sadly the popular lead pellet manufacturers (including JSB and AA) don't seem to be able to do that. I think the Defiants are the best yet in this respect - they just need to develop the design a bit to iron out the weak performance in wind. I can't believe there's a "Defiant Pellet Forum"! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted June 14, 2010 Report Share Posted June 14, 2010 What I *really* want is a tin full of pellets that are all exactly the same diameter and weight! And sadly the popular lead pellet manufacturers (including JSB and AA) don't seem to be able to do that. I think the Defiants are the best yet in this respect - they just need to develop the design a bit to iron out the weak performance in wind. I can't believe there's a "Defiant Pellet Forum"! I'd rather have a pellet that was consistent at the other end - i.e. hits the target accurately, than a tin of pretty pellets that don't. Check out the Defiant Pellets Forum. Watch out for the tumble weed though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoffw Posted June 24, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2010 Thanks chaps, accupell appear to be working ok- 8mm 5 shot grouping at 28m, and 33 headshot rabbits tonight out to 40m. Job done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clubshot Posted June 25, 2010 Report Share Posted June 25, 2010 I can't believe there's a "Defiant Pellet Forum"! We set up one on Defiant Web Site So that Shooters can post without Fear of others moaning about Free Plugs etc I have No financial interest in Pax Pellets - Long time Associate Who can Sell more than Can make - largest share of orders are Export's - But silly for UK Shooters to pay more for import's when UK is able to produce Good Air Gun Pellets BOB/R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesneale89 Posted May 13, 2011 Report Share Posted May 13, 2011 i use AA FIELD through my hw100 and i get 1/4 groups at 33yards as that is what im zeroed at , but with AA you need to sort the pellets out , because the slightest deformaty and youve got a flier and there usually a good inch either side of your zero. ive got a batch of FALCON ACCURACY PLUS ariving in a few days and there around 14grains a pellet in .22 and meant to be really accurate ill let you know how i get on in a few days time , but for now AA fields are really good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaxiDriver Posted May 13, 2011 Report Share Posted May 13, 2011 (edited) :thumbs: Another vote for RWS Super H Point, reasonably priced too if you watch where you buying them, I recently bought some at a Specialist Airgun place and paid £2 a tin more than my usual RFD rws super h point are one to try. used them in a hw80k hw97k and hw35 all with good accuracy and power upon impact. - nt the most expensive either Edited May 13, 2011 by TaxiDriver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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