madsarmy Posted July 4, 2010 Report Share Posted July 4, 2010 I’ve got a knackered shoulder & it’s the one the gun butt sits in. Some days it is no trouble but I only have to get one shot hurt it & my day is over. Yesterday the first shot hurt me & after 4 shots I was packing up. As you can imagine this is very soul destroying as I love my pigeon shooting. What I need is some help with reducing the recoil. After a bit of a search I have found these items. Has anyone used these, or can recommend something to relieve my agony. Past Field recoil pad http://www.cheshiregunroom.com/store/index...roducts_id=2525 Absorb All recoil pad http://www.cheshiregunroom.com/store/ACCES...-All-Recoil-Pad Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RED BEARD Posted July 4, 2010 Report Share Posted July 4, 2010 what gun are you using? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madsarmy Posted July 4, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 4, 2010 what gun are you using? 12g-OU baikal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted July 4, 2010 Report Share Posted July 4, 2010 You could consider a semi automatic which has less recoil that an o/u or sbs and you could also look at reducing your cartridge loads, its surprising what a difference that makes. A friend of mine suffers badly with his shoulder and shoots competitive clays as well as general shooting. He has had a Jones adjuster fitted to all his guns (6) that brings the butt higher on his shoulder, taking the recoil away from the "pocket", he has also dropped his clay loads down to 21gm and 24gm and uses 24 gm for decoying and only occasionally uses 28gm. This link shows the Jones adjuster http://www.greenwoodgunsmiths.co.uk/gunfitting.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave1419 Posted July 4, 2010 Report Share Posted July 4, 2010 I’ve got a knackered shoulder & it’s the one the gun butt sits in. Some days it is no trouble but I only have to get one shot hurt it & my day is over. Yesterday the first shot hurt me & after 4 shots I was packing up. As you can imagine this is very soul destroying as I love my pigeon shooting. What I need is some help with reducing the recoil. After a bit of a search I have found these items. Has anyone used these, or can recommend something to relieve my agony. Past Field recoil pad http://www.cheshiregunroom.com/store/index...roducts_id=2525 Absorb All recoil pad http://www.cheshiregunroom.com/store/ACCES...-All-Recoil-Pad Thanks hello mate,i have had to buy a semi auto after having neck surgery.got myself a beretta a 400 and its spot on.the old baikal guns are noted for giving recoil.my advice is try somebodys auto and them make your mind up about maybe changing your gun----Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COACH Posted July 4, 2010 Report Share Posted July 4, 2010 Go out and get a second hand Beretta extrema 2 semi auto with a kick off recoil reducing kit on it as standard. Very little of anything else will work with damaged shoulders when pigeon shooting because of the larger hard hitting loads you have to use to kill the birds. I should know as not only am I a coach but I have two shoulders that need replacing bad but I just keep putting it off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeker Posted July 4, 2010 Report Share Posted July 4, 2010 over several years I have become sensitive to recoil after a back injury. There seems to be no one magic answer... the recoil is always there, what the various systems and methods do is manage how it is delivered. All or a combination may help but its what works best for you, because in the end its how you perceive or feel recoil that's the issue.. Consider:- Lighter loads at less speed as a good start point, ... ie cut the level of the recoil at the start. - a heavier gun or auto to use up some of the recoil or 'delay it' - recoil systems like shock absorbers, pads, sorbothane etc -Good gunfit and shooting style The new Beretta 400 with 'kickoff' seems a good package or there's this system http://www.recoilsystems.com/html/productd...ls/products.asp sorry I can't give you an absolute answer but FWIW there are ways to put the pleasure back into shooting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSPUK Posted July 4, 2010 Report Share Posted July 4, 2010 Be carefull if you are considering those recoil systems - They do what it says on box but what it didn't say was if you have a lot of drop on stock which I had to have on my 391 the recoil of stock kicked my cheek bone and it ended up unusable for me - took it off and had to extend stock with ebonite pad to get it back to factory dimensions an lost load of dosh. A Kickeeze or similar are very good. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Elvis Posted July 4, 2010 Report Share Posted July 4, 2010 :blink: I broke both my shoulders a few years ago, I now shoot a cynergy for clays which is about as recoil less as you can get, and I use a semi for thr piggies, the browning gold, browning silver are the 2 lowest recoil from all the ones I tried. Never looked back! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beretta Posted July 4, 2010 Report Share Posted July 4, 2010 i know a couple of guys who shoot with these precision stocks who could not shoot at all without them, even autos were to much. http://www.precisionfitstocks.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
activeviii Posted July 4, 2010 Report Share Posted July 4, 2010 Semi is one way to go. forget the extrema , unless you on the geese. the urika is the same but 3" rather than the 3.5" of the extrema. i have had a few semis but not have settled with the U2 as i dont want the recoil jolt to run down the spine, bust up back. as long as you have some thing like the kick off system then you cant go far wrong. there was 2 U2 for sale on here last night for a bargain price, im thinking of getting another one for my son as i love them that much. all the best in your quest for pain free shooting regards Phil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Elvis Posted July 4, 2010 Report Share Posted July 4, 2010 I tried the new beretta a400 ...that has the kick off system on it...good as gold!! :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madsarmy Posted July 5, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 Thank you all for the replies. It is very much appreciated. Looks like I’m going to have to put my hand in my pocket & fork out for another shottie. Thanks Again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soreshoulder Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 what about the other obvious route, change in caliber, 20 bore, 28 bore? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RED BEARD Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 what about the other obvious route, change in caliber, 20 bore, 28 bore? just what i was going to say,a nice 20b semi auto should be kind on the shoulder,and there cheap enough.pick a good one up for under £400. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alanl50 Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 You could consider a semi automatic which has less recoil that an o/u or sbs and you could also look at reducing your cartridge loads, its surprising what a difference that makes. A friend of mine suffers badly with his shoulder and shoots competitive clays as well as general shooting. He has had a Jones adjuster fitted to all his guns (6) that brings the butt higher on his shoulder, taking the recoil away from the "pocket", he has also dropped his clay loads down to 21gm and 24gm and uses 24 gm for decoying and only occasionally uses 28gm. This link shows the Jones adjuster http://www.greenwoodgunsmiths.co.uk/gunfitting.php As cranfield suggests you got to go Auto and lighter loads, I had double major surgery last year on my shoulder and it was my way back in, there was no way I could take a thump from a double of any configaration, 24grams and you wont even feel it, 28grams are soft as well and available in most shot sizes, so it will do your clays and wood pigeon as well, same as 20 gauge really. Alan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mag357 Posted July 16, 2010 Report Share Posted July 16, 2010 I’ve got a knackered shoulder & it’s the one the gun butt sits in. Some days it is no trouble but I only have to get one shot hurt it & my day is over. Yesterday the first shot hurt me & after 4 shots I was packing up. As you can imagine this is very soul destroying as I love my pigeon shooting. What I need is some help with reducing the recoil. After a bit of a search I have found these items. Has anyone used these, or can recommend something to relieve my agony. Past Field recoil pad http://www.cheshiregunroom.com/store/index...roducts_id=2525 Absorb All recoil pad http://www.cheshiregunroom.com/store/ACCES...-All-Recoil-Pad Thanks I had smashed up gun shoulder after accident, now use Benelli M2 and love it, no problem with recoil.Biekal notorious for felt recoil, made from plough shears and no give in the timber. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyR Posted July 16, 2010 Report Share Posted July 16, 2010 just what i was going to say,a nice 20b semi auto should be kind on the shoulder,and there cheap enough.pick a good one up for under £400. I agree on the semi auto front, but I would advise against AN Other 20b as the temptation is to shoot 24g or even 28g loads, which given a 20b weighs less is self-defeating. Get a nice heavy semi, with a kick off or ISIS and a cheek ease if needs be, then experiment with different carts. I find Hulls to be very soft shooting. cheers, Jon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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