Raja Clavata Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 Following on from the thread I started last week on DSC1 I was just wondering if anyone has any views or direct experience of the intermediate deer stalker course? It looks like you get to complete a stalk / kill and practical experience of carcass preparation (which sounds good). On the BASC webiste it implies this is a useful steping stone between DSC1 and DSC2. The reason I ask is that I have mixed experience of value of intermediate courses in other fields... Thanks in advance Raja Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 I noticed that the new NGO DSC1 course (now delayed first running until Feb) brings in a freshly shot deer for a "live" demo of the preparation. Good idea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 mmm, a well done level 1 and a little hands on should be all that is required but not all level 1 courses are equal. Might i recomend the BDS DVD the old one was good but this new one is great even old hands can learn from it. I am suspicious of these middle courses but Lardering days are well worthwhile and a lot cheaper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth W Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 I have just looked at the BASC course details, 2 day course costing £260 !!!!!!!!! How do you know you are actually going to see deer let alone be in a position to shoot one? Seems another money making scheme to me. I can pay £60 a stalk with an experienced AW up here. Which in my mind is better value for money. What happens on the BASC course if you are unsuccessful? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 I haven't done it but I think I would use the money to go for some stalking and make sure you do the gralloch and larder work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted August 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 mmm, a well done level 1 and a little hands on should be all that is required but not all level 1 courses are equal. Might i recomend the BDS DVD the old one was good but this new one is great even old hands can learn from it. I am suspicious of these middle courses but Lardering days are well worthwhile and a lot cheaper Kent - exactly which DVD are you referring to please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyb Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 I haven't done it but I think I would use the money to go for some stalking and make sure you do the gralloch and larder work. Although I don't do a huge amount of stalking, I've always wondered what the point in having this bit of paper was. Other than someone must be doing all right out of it I'd much rather be out there learning the new skill, rather than sitting in a classroom. DSC1 won't get you laid, doesn't do the ironing or the washing up for you like some seem to believe, there is plenty of stalking out there where you don't need a bit of paper with your name on it. I'm out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 I think it is a very good course and I am glad I did it. I had been out with professional stalkers before and have been out with them since, and I agree nothing beats being out there - but that doesn't mean to say the course is just to generate income, it isn't. You can learn a hell of a lot in a classroom and from video's too - you just don't get your hands dirty, so IMO a mix of both is ideal. I quite fancy the BDS vid, if it is the one I am thinking of it was made by the bloke who took us for our DSC1's, he has probably forgotten more than most ever get to learn about stalking, so you will always pick up something, even if it is just a bit of abuse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted August 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 This isn't meant to be about DSC1 Coming to same conclusion on the intermediate course - some accompanied stalking would probably be better... I'm assuming the DVD is Gralloching from filed to larder (with intro from Ray Mears)? PS - Getting laid, washing, ironing etc. is part of the reason for having a wife! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikee Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 I did DSC1 last year with the BDS, really glad I did it, I think we were lucky in who took the course, mostly it was a guy called Barry Murkin who has forgotten more than I will ever know about stalking and deer management and was a real sticker for best practice and things to be done right, Dave Goffin came for a day and did the lectures on Sika, another incredibly knowledgeable guy, I feel we learned a lot more from 4 days in the presence of these guys than it took to pass the course, some people failed the course on the shooting tests but none failed the written bits so i guess you cant blame the instructors for that, i felt it was money well spent and would gladly sign up for more courses if i could be confident of a similar level of tuition. mikee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 This isn't meant to be about DSC1 :blink: Garyb started it With regards to getting out there, I was invited to assist with a doe cull this year, obviously I chewed it over for ages before reluctantly accepting The day was as described, the only bit missing from the description was the fact the invitees get to do the larder work. Having said that is was great getting stuck in, and you soon find out the quickest and easiest way to do things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 I have just got my local butcher to agree to teach me the larder work..... Free! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 Two of us did 10 fallow that morning ready for the game dealer. I did think about doing a butchery course, but having butchered half a dozen muntjac I know enough to get it done, it just probably lacks the finesse of a professional job. Incidentally Making the Most of Your Deer is pretty good book for the theory, but I would still like to see this DVD if anyone has it to lend out, I have seen the old one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodeer Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 www.kentdeerservices.com Try this guy, Andy Prince. He will take you for a whole day instruction on stalking , shot placement, shooting a few deer then gralloching. Gives you a cert of competence when finsihed. I havnt done it but have mates who did and they recomend a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 I have just got my local butcher to agree to teach me the larder work..... Free! Best way... you'll learn even more off a slaughterman, there's more than one way to skin a cat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 This isn't meant to be about DSC1 Coming to same conclusion on the intermediate course - some accompanied stalking would probably be better... I'm assuming the DVD is Gralloching from filed to larder (with intro from Ray Mears)? PS - Getting laid, washing, ironing etc. is part of the reason for having a wife! Yes thats the one, regards level 1 it is meant to teach you what you need to know in theory level 2 is just the practice of the theory you should have learned on 1. Another point i cannot see the use in spending time with a butcher as carcass prep is not part of level two only thing close is inspection and hygene, heads, pluck, guts etc is all done and inspected at slaughter house in the case of domesic farm stock as far as i am aware- there might be exeptions to this but at the end of the day Deer aint sheep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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