20 Bore

[welshwarrior]

My wife has got into clays more now and has been using the coaches old Fabarn 20 Bore O/U and she shoots really well with it.

 

So I'm going to sell my under used 12 SBS and get her her own 20 O/U. What should I buy looking for a short (14' LOP) and lightweight.

 

What should I buy??

 

Thinking around £300-£550 mark what do you think.

[MAL S]

hi, you can get a pointer 620 20g brand new for about that sort of money i have a pointer 612 12g a great gun

 

ps they have one at malmo guns

Edited August 26, 2010 by MAL S

[apache]

My girlfriend copes nicely with a light 12 bore. Cheaper to feed, many light loads available. Give it some thought

[Beardo]

I had a nice little Browning Medallist that sounds like it would fit the bill

[JonnyR]

If it just for clays you can't go wrong with a semi-auto. I don't get why ladies seem to be told they need to shoot a 20. My Maxus 12 is about the same weight as my wife's Beretta 20 bore but I know which one I would rather put 100 shells through.

 

cheers,

[welshwarrior]

I had a nice little Browning Medallist that sounds like it would fit the bill

 

 

Nick does that mean it's gone?

[welshwarrior]

My girlfriend copes nicely with a light 12 bore. Cheaper to feed, many light loads available. Give it some thought

 

 

She has used a 12 with 21g loads but just shot better with the light fast handleing 20 and finds it less triering. Willing to get a 20 for now then later may be get her a 12.

[sitsinhedges]

You need to invest in that 6 month old 20g Silver Pigeon S that I have for sale

[Beardo]

Nick does that mean it's gone?

Long time gone I'm afraid. I'm sure you'll find one on guntrader though

[welshwarrior]

You need to invest in that 6 month old 20g Silver Pigeon S that I have for sale

 

I'll let you invest in my Westley Richards straight swap but I'll save you delivery and drive to you.

Edited August 26, 2010 by welshwarrior

[sitsinhedges]

I let you invest in my Westley Richards straight swap but I'll save you delivery and drive to you.

 

I need less not more

[welshwarrior]

1 for 1 and it's not very big short stock and only 28 tubes

[clayman]

The key to successful handling is the balance point.

 

Just because a gun is a 20b does not mean it will feel light for the user, and less action wt does mean more perceived recoil.

 

A shortened 12bore back to 13" pull with 26" or 28" will often balance further back and feel lighter than a 20b with longer stock and barrels.

 

As 20g generally carry a premium in resale value, consider getting a 28" 12g and cutting it back. It is even worth considering taking barrels back to 25/26" with a barrel chop, or looking for an old skeet gun. There are some high quality old skeet guns, Beretta, Merkel, Browning, Nikko about with 25" or 26" barrels, and as these are unfashionable today you can get some real bargains on quality 10-20 year old guns, usually well looked after and still in excellent order. While this will give you cy/cy they will handle great, balance well on a short stock, and be great for clays out to 30yds or so.

 

Other advice given by others is all good too. A semi has less forward weight. Think about a Remi 1100 or similar. These often have 26" barrels which makes them very light forward, whether 12g or 20g.

[welshwarrior]

Ok I don't want to get a semi not my thing just don't like them.

 

It is a overall wieght issue of carrying the gun therefore I want a 6 1/2 llb gun so want a 20 bore have lots of 12 already.

Edited August 26, 2010 by welshwarrior

[magman]

I see your in chester now and again if you want to try a 20g beretta with a short stock let me no and we can meet up , maybe at sealand

[Sauer]

i have a macnab lowlander 20bore and i love it

 

fixed choke 1/4 n 1/2 cheap n cheerful and fleet shooting gun, pick em up for 500 ish

 

or for same money seen lincoln multi chokes and nice guns.

 

 

 

 

 

sauer

[welshwarrior]

I see your in chester now and again if you want to try a 20g beretta with a short stock let me no and we can meet up , maybe at sealand

 

Magman cheers I work there but my wife is down south and it will be her gun, but thanks for the very kind offer.

[HDAV]

Franchi fast pro is lightest gun i have found, 2.65Kg and its a 12G. Most 20B i have seen are only a 1/2lb lighter than a 12 and recoil more. My missus uses a 26" Browning light game gun at local ground fits her lovely and light to use they have a 686 ultralight and a 20 bore the browning is the lightest If i had the money i would buy the missus a Franchi Fast

[welshwarrior]

Anyone know anything about Armi Silma Sport 20g or Fias Sporter 20g they are local to me but not heard of them.

 

Like the look of the W & S 920 (I think Pointer also sell this gun) and the Yildiz I like their 410 anyway.

 

Any thoughts.

[Beardo]

The Italian fias is actually the same gun as the browning medallist (fias made it for them) so worth a look if the price is right

[MAL S]

the pointer is better value and better made

[strix]

I don't know if this is of any use it is from The Field, 6 November, 2007

 

"What is the best gun in the world?

 

I shall fudge the answer by putting it in the context of price. If I had up to £1,500 to spend my choice would be a plain grade Beretta Silver Pigeon 12- or 20-bore. If I had between £3,000 and £4,000 to spend, I'd buy a Beretta EELL or side-plated Caesar Guerini. With £5,000 or so in the bank, I would opt for a Perazzi or Kemen (the latter being an exceptional high-bird gun as noted). Remanufactured vintage guns from Atkin, Grant & Lang represent excellent value and allow for the confident everyday use of a hundred-year-old gun built to your exact requirements. Bosis side-by-sides also represent excellent value when one begins to consider capital expenditure.

 

With unlimited funds, I would go for a new Holland Royal side-by-side or over-and-under in 12- and 20-bore respectively, or a Purdey pigeon-gun. If I were Italian, though, it might well have been a Fabbri. One gun on a desert island for the next 20 years? To use the vernacular, that's a no-brainer: the plain Jane

Beretta Silver Pigeon

simply could not be bettered. It offers the most reliable bang for the least buck. I would have a 28in-barrelled 20-bore if cartridges were available (because the handling qualities mimic those of a much more expensive gun), or a 12-bore if they were not."

 

For full article:

 

http://www.thefield.co.uk/features/153911/...t_shotguns.html

[Beardo]

Can't really argue with that - if you can get a Silver Pigeon - that's what i replaced my Medallist with!

There are usually some good priced fixed choke 20g Silver Pigeons on here that are near the top end of your budget.

[John_R]

I've got a Silma 20g, called the Model 50 or Pantera. I like it, a multichoke with a proper 20g action, ie built as 20g from the beginning as opposed to a 12g with smaller barrels.

 

I shot my first pheasants with it a few seasons back, which is partly why I still have it.

[welshwarrior]

I don't know if this is of any use it is from The Field, 6 November, 2007

 

"What is the best gun in the world?

 

I shall fudge the answer by putting it in the context of price. If I had up to £1,500 to spend my choice would be a plain grade Beretta Silver Pigeon 12- or 20-bore. If I had between £3,000 and £4,000 to spend, I'd buy a Beretta EELL or side-plated Caesar Guerini. With £5,000 or so in the bank, I would opt for a Perazzi or Kemen (the latter being an exceptional high-bird gun as noted). Remanufactured vintage guns from Atkin, Grant & Lang represent excellent value and allow for the confident everyday use of a hundred-year-old gun built to your exact requirements. Bosis side-by-sides also represent excellent value when one begins to consider capital expenditure.

 

With unlimited funds, I would go for a new Holland Royal side-by-side or over-and-under in 12- and 20-bore respectively, or a Purdey pigeon-gun. If I were Italian, though, it might well have been a Fabbri. One gun on a desert island for the next 20 years? To use the vernacular, that's a no-brainer: the plain Jane

Beretta Silver Pigeon

simply could not be bettered. It offers the most reliable bang for the least buck. I would have a 28in-barrelled 20-bore if cartridges were available (because the handling qualities mimic those of a much more expensive gun), or a 12-bore if they were not."

 

For full article:

 

http://www.thefield.co.uk/features/153911/...t_shotguns.html

 

 

I can remenber that article now and agree not sure if a SP is right for a 1st gun as I want for me.