"Dispatching" Charlie in a Cage trap!

[bignoel]

If you rung lancashire feo tomorow and asked can you shoot fox with a 17 hmr the answer would be no,i know from havin the conversation.

 

and the same here in surrey 22lr for fox is a no but i have it and have it for close quarter shooting aswell as dispatch not everyone will get it because some one else has it on there license .

[oneshotkiller]

I have watched the video and not having seen a fox dispatched found it very humane and quick

 

Well done frenchie , also the guy has quoted word for word what his FLO has stated , where's the problem ?

OK i see where a lot of guys are coming from in regard to anti's seeing this , but search the tube for fox control and you will find any number of foxes poorly culled by idiots with a lurcher or even a air rifle ( go on google fox shot with air arms ) .

 

 

Fair play to you mate you did the job quick and clean with the least amount of suffering to the fox

[Frenchieboy]

This thread now appears to be getting out of hand and leaving me feeling that I am being used for some sort of a witch hunt. I accept that maybe I would have been better not to have posted the video on this forum in the first place, even though I do not believe that I have done or said anything wrong and that it might be of interest and help to any members who have not had to dispatch any foxes caught in a cage trap yet, showing them how it can be done quickly humanely and safely. I have been open and honest and tried to answer all criticisms and comments (Both positive and negative) but that does not seem to be enough. It is now blatantly obvious to me that whatever I do or say is going to upset someone so maybe it would be better all round if I offered no further input.

To save any further arguments, misunderstandings or problems maybe the moderators would be good enough to delete this entire thread please.

[MM]

He isn't getting ripped for it, I enjoy Frenchie videos and write ups as much as everybody else,this is a forum for people with similar interests but differing opinions and that's why its as good as it is, I just have no interest in watching a caged animal been shot and put forward my opinion on that if we didn't we wouldn't have a forum and I would have to talk to the Mrs all night!

No offence was meant.

I understand what you mean Harv

 

 

The only thing i would worry about for frenchie is that if he lives in bacup like his forum says, I think (I may be wrong).. he would come under lancashire feo, who do not grant 17hmr for fox control.

Humane dispatch?

 

If you rung lancashire feo tomorow and asked can you shoot fox with a 17 hmr the answer would be no,i know from havin the conversation.

Again, humae dispatch? Do any of these ring a bell? If i found a wounded fox i could use a .22lr for 'humane dispatch' even though its not on the ticket.

[camokid]

we all hunt on hear i cant see how any of us cant make a stink over anything we have all had a bad shot or not a very clean kill at some time but you just try to make it right and no suffring for the animal. there is a fox on one of my lands that i just cant bump in to lamp shy aint the word so i might be getting a trap and would like to see the vid to see how its done set, placement, baited, despatched, frenchies a good bloke and does a lot of good posts i think the witch hunt is a bit much

[Al Downie]

I don't know nuthin' about nuthin', but the way I see it, nobody has a problem with humane dispatch, or even a botched job, because we've all been there and know the score. You do the best you can to ensure that the animal doesn't suffer, and its life ends without fear or torment. It's not a pleasant thing to do, but it's necessary.

 

There are some *brilliant* videos on Pigeonwatch that are educational, some that are inspiring, funny, thought-provoking or whatever. In my humble opinion however, the shooting of a captive animal isn't something that should be celebrated, no matter how humanely it was carried out. I think that, by making a video of something like this, the statement you're making seems to be that you get a kick out of killing things and seeing them die.

 

Would you make a video of someone's dog being put down, and then show it to all your mates?

[artschool]

There are some *brilliant* videos on Pigeonwatch that are educational, some that are inspiring, funny, thought-provoking or whatever. In my humble opinion however, the shooting of a captive animal isn't something that should be celebrated, no matter how humanely it was carried out. I think that, by making a video of something like this, the statement you're making seems to be that you get a kick out of killing things and seeing them die.

 

could you not make the same argument for paunching rabbits/breasting pigeon videos?

 

i have see a video on how to breast a pigeon without a knife. to the uninitiated it might look like someone is ripping a pigeon apart with their bare hands.

 

i have never had to dispatch a fox at close quarters so would be interested in seeing how it was done.

[Al Downie]

could you not make the same argument for paunching rabbits/breasting pigeon videos?

 

Personally, I wouldn't say so - butchery and food preparation videos are VERY helpful for me! But treatment and processing of dead animals is a different thing to celebrating the actual moment of death of a captive animal - it has no chance of escape, there's no challenge, or sport, or hunting involved. It's a totally miserable way for any creature to die. Like I said above, it's a dirty job that has to be done, there's just no need to show-off about it.

[SimonT]

Frenchieboy dont take it to heart, you wont be the first and certinely wont be the last to be whinged at. If you are going to post on public forums, its going to happen

[maverick123]

Personally, I wouldn't say so - butchery and food preparation videos are VERY helpful for me! But treatment and processing of dead animals is a different thing to celebrating the actual moment of death of a captive animal - it has no chance of escape, there's no challenge, or sport, or hunting involved. It's a totally miserable way for any creature to die. Like I said above, it's a dirty job that has to be done, there's just no need to show-off about it.

 

 

Hang on a minute, I haven't watched the video that this **** refers too and don't know frenchie, but seriously watch the guys videos and you will see he is an asset to this forum. I am not watching the video as i don't want to see it but i can imagine "celebrating" is far from a fair description! don't see him running round in circles with a party hat on when he is sharing other valuable videos! Frenchie your videos provide a lot of education for everyone including myself, the less experienced shooter who wants to learn field craft in the correct manner showing respect to the animals.

[Al Downie]

watch the guys videos and you will see he is an asset to this forum.

 

Hold up... I'm only talking about ONE contribution which, in my opinion, falls below my own personal threshold of respect for quarry. I've enjoyed many of Frenchie's other videos, same as everyone else here.

[Benellimelody]

Just my input. I dont often post on here, as i know it all and jus wanna see if theres out decent for sale

 

Seriously tho, i look at some of Frenchies videos and think, why are you videoing and posting that, whats the point - then i take a step backwords and think hang on - if this was 10 years ago, i would be very interested, maybe informed by them. I probs wouldnt have the patience to video/ upload and post but to some newcomers, this is useful information, direction on how to go on cos all of them are humane.

[al4x]

Hold up... I'm only talking about ONE contribution which, in my opinion, falls below my own personal threshold of respect for quarry. I've enjoyed many of Frenchie's other videos, same as everyone else here.

 

 

snap except for the idiots questioning his FAC who probably are all under the age to buy alcohol legally, most people have a reasoned explanation why its not really the sort of thing to film. I'm unsure exactly why its different shooting one in a cage but for me I wouldn't film it, its something we do but not something I feel I need to show people. That is not knocking you frenchie at all as your other videos are good as is this one in a way there is just something about it that I can't quite put my finger on that feels a little unnecessary