James306 Posted September 12, 2010 Report Share Posted September 12, 2010 I am looking at selling up my shotguns, as I have moved onto a boat. The guns are currently kept with my father, he is the registered keeper, I am the registered owner. I now live 150 miles from my parents house and i'm not there very ofter so what I want to know is if I organise the sale of the gun, do I have to be present for the sale or is there anyway my father can deal with that without having to transfer all the guns over to him first? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KPV4 Posted September 12, 2010 Report Share Posted September 12, 2010 Might be better for you transfer the guns into your fathers name so he is the registered owner, it will be a lot easier that way. Other wise you will have to be present during the transaction if you sell them due to the filling in of certificates etc. If you have a friendly RFD you could transfer them to his books and then when you sell he can send them on the the new owners RFD (obviously he will charge you for the service). What are you thinking of selling? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayman Posted September 12, 2010 Report Share Posted September 12, 2010 The guns are currently kept with my father, he is the registered keeper, I am the registered owner. Not quite sure what the situation is with this statement. A SGC is a document that records a person entitled to be in possession of the gun, it is not a document of ownership. If the gun is on your fathers ticket already, he is the one that has to sign it away - and you dont need to be present. If in fact you own the gun and the proceeds belong to you, thats a personal arrangement. If the gun is on your ticket and you are registered as resident at his address, then he does not have access to the gun unless its also on his ticket. Add or transfer it to your father's SGC and let him handle the sale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluke2 Posted September 12, 2010 Report Share Posted September 12, 2010 If the guns appear on both your SGCs either party can sell them but you both need to inform the police when you sell, your dad can sell them and include your details as well in his letter to the police or vice versa,including details of who you sold them to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted September 12, 2010 Report Share Posted September 12, 2010 Not quite sure what the situation is with this statement. A SGC is a document that records a person entitled to be in possession of the gun, it is not a document of ownership. If the gun is on your fathers ticket already, he is the one that has to sign it away - and you dont need to be present. If in fact you own the gun and the proceeds belong to you, thats a personal arrangement. If the gun is on your ticket and you are registered as resident at his address, then he does not have access to the gun unless its also on his ticket. Add or transfer it to your father's SGC and let him handle the sale. If the guns appear on both your SGCs either party can sell thembut you both need to inform the police when you sell, your dad can sell them and include your details as well in his letter to the police or vice versa,including details of who you sold them to. he is the registered keeper, I am the registered owner. I'm a bit confused as well, I don't know this situation and would tend to go along with the other two responses above! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stokie Posted September 13, 2010 Report Share Posted September 13, 2010 why dont you just keep your guns on the boat . Have you looked into that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James306 Posted September 14, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2010 Basically the guns are in my name, but are registered at my fathers address. They're on my certificate but down on his also as being in his care, if that makes sense. I have looked into keeping them on the boat and it is one huge NO NO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluke2 Posted September 14, 2010 Report Share Posted September 14, 2010 (edited) Basically the guns are in my name, but are registered at my fathers address. They're on my certificate but down on his also as being in his care, if that makes sense. I have looked into keeping them on the boat and it is one huge NO NO Then either you or your dad can sell them and include details of both the licences on the letter to police to have them removed, as for the boat I would get more advice if a cabinet can be secured then is there a problem unless they steal the whole boat? I knew a guy lived on a converted single decker bus had a shotgun with the cabinet welded in,he now lives in a mobile home and hasnt any problems?. just had a thought unless your moving between counties with the boat then maybe not Edited September 14, 2010 by fluke2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James306 Posted September 14, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2010 Then either you or your dad can sell them and include detailsof both the licences on the letter to police to have them removed, as for the boat I would get more advice if a cabinet can be secured then is there a problem unless they steal the whole boat? I knew a guy lived on a converted single decker bus had a shotgun with the cabinet welded in,he now lives in a mobile home and hasnt any problems?. just had a thought unless your moving between counties with the boat then maybe not I think that was the main issue, I live on the south coast and we go sailing a lot, so we could easily be in france within 14 hours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stokie Posted September 15, 2010 Report Share Posted September 15, 2010 i just got off the phone to mike eveley . Head of firearms with basc . He helped write the storage of firearms guidelines for the homeoffice. You can keep firearms on a boat aslong as your safe is bolted or welded to the structure out of sight and you can give a permanant address where the boat is usualy moored . That doesnt mean the boat has to stay there all the time it is just a point of contact . You also need to give a contact phone number . And it is also a good idea to have the boat alarmed ... The reason i needed to check is we re about to move onto a narrow boat . Hope this helps.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James306 Posted September 23, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 Do you think it could be different for boats on the coast? A narrow boat would stay in the UK, we would be popping over to france etc. It's something I would look into if there were a way of doing so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stokie Posted September 23, 2010 Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 i googled storage of firearms on boats . There were loads of websites about pirates . But then i came across the home office guidelines and it says if you are sailing to another country then you will need a european firearms cert and aslong as the guns are secured correctly there is no problem . The only legal stipulation is you have a permanant residential mooring . It doest mean you cant sail away . As long as its there for you to come back to Contact mike eveley at basc . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted September 23, 2010 Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 You don't need to own a boat to be able to ****** off abroad at a moments notice Just make sure you don't drill through the hull when fixing your cabinet or they might get rusty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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