silverhawk Posted October 20, 2010 Report Share Posted October 20, 2010 (edited) Hi all i posted my variation on monday 18th october for a 22lr and fac shotgun and get a call tuesday 19th for a interview on thirsday Is it normal to get a call the next day for an interview??didnt think they were that quick they only just recived the paper work.Also im now a member of a club that does practical shotgun and also included a letter from a land owner so i could use it on vermin too.I was refused a fac shotgun last year as vermin wasnt a good enougth reason but i thought now im a member if im going to use it for psg then might as well try have vermin added as there has been times where it would come handy.I got a funny feeling there going to kick up a fuss over the shotgun even though i got a good reason ive also took out membership with the ukpsa as some forces require this. Edited October 20, 2010 by silverhawk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted October 20, 2010 Report Share Posted October 20, 2010 If you are a full bona fide member of an approved club they cannot refuse the FAC Shotgun, however you will need to attend the club regularly and the club should log your visits. Rifle clubs certainly do. If they feel that vermin is not a good reason then you may find they won't allow it for that, however there really isn't a reason why they shouldn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonesbach Posted October 20, 2010 Report Share Posted October 20, 2010 best option to get FAC shotgun is to tell them you have a farmer with major problems with crows and pigeons and that two barrels just arent enough, they shouldnt really turn this application down. if you want a back up plan, get one of your permissions to either write a letter or be willing to back you up with your claim of crow/pigeon problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breastman Posted October 20, 2010 Report Share Posted October 20, 2010 If you are a full bona fide member of an approved club they cannot refuse the FAC Shotgun, however you will need to attend the club regularly and the club should log your visits. Unfortunately this isn't the case for Section 1 shotguns (or LBR or LBP's either). Due to the stupidity of making 'high-capacity' shotguns Section 1 and the way the 1988 and 1997 acts were written, because S1 shotguns aren't either a rifle, muzzle loading pistol or a shotgun (the only firearms recognised by the legislation), they fall in a 'grey' area. Therefore their use isn't officially recognised (and UKPSA isn't 'approved' by the Home Office) and the target shooting justification isn't officially there. This is also the reason clubs can't own, and you can't lend S1 shotguns, LBP or LBR's to others, even if they have that class of firearm on their FAC's Its a constant pain in the @$r$£ for us PSG'ers to get more people into the sport As with everything else in firearms licensing its a county by county lottery Have a word with your shooting organisation and UKPSA if they give you grief about it. Good luck Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverhawk Posted October 20, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2010 Yep been doing all my visits at the club and finished my probation last week so no problem there.Also got the letter from the land owner saying theres lots of problems with pigeons and crows etc.Hopefully everything goes ok if not then i will ask for a refusal on paper and just try a appeal i supose.Will let you know how it goes there coming over at 9am tommrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperfection Posted October 20, 2010 Report Share Posted October 20, 2010 I note from your signature that you've sold the Urika.Tell them if the S1 shotgun should be used for PSG,vermin and clays so it saves you having a second shotgun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted October 20, 2010 Report Share Posted October 20, 2010 I had my FAC shotgun, with no problems. I was advised by my FEO to state 'crop protection' on the application, and this was followed up by a signed letter from a farmer, who stated that he had major problems with crows pigeons etc. Steve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverhawk Posted October 20, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2010 Thanks imperfection, i was hoping to just have one shotgun to cover both as its pointless and just more money waisted having two semis so hopefully it goes well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonesbach Posted October 20, 2010 Report Share Posted October 20, 2010 good luck with FEO when he calls round..offer him your best bic's and a nice cuppa! If your a member of BASC (if not...why?) then if you get refused after offering all these reasons for owning one then BASC would offer some backing to you and possibly sway it. like i said, ATB and keep us updated! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted October 20, 2010 Report Share Posted October 20, 2010 I find all these discrepancies between the way different forces apply legislation bloody annoying.They are as bound by legislation just as much as us.I quoted the Wildlife and countryside act 1981 as my reason for applying for a FAC shotgun(my second) and that was it.Get in touch with your shooting organisation and stir 'em up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the running man Posted October 21, 2010 Report Share Posted October 21, 2010 I find all these discrepancies between the way different forces apply legislation bloody annoying.They are as bound by legislation just as much as us.I quoted the Wildlife and countryside act 1981 as my reason for applying for a FAC shotgun(my second) and that was it.Get in touch with your shooting organisation and stir 'em up.scully I share ure loathing of regional discrepancies,forces are split up into regions for good reason and that which we have is far better than a national police force. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverhawk Posted October 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2010 Well just had interview had my feo i always have.I got a 22lr and 31 cal black powder pistol, But no to the shotgun as ive been told i need to do a ukpsa course? and with the slugs im only allowed 75 to hold? i got slugs added but no shotgun? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the running man Posted October 21, 2010 Report Share Posted October 21, 2010 (edited) I've only got 250 to keep in total,I'm not surprised, we lined up 2 railway sleepers and at 20 meters the slug went straight through both! So with that much power I'm not surprised they want conditions met. Edited October 21, 2010 by the running man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonesbach Posted October 21, 2010 Report Share Posted October 21, 2010 Well just had interview had my feo i always have.I got a 22lr and 31 cal black powder pistol, But no to the shotgun as ive been told i need to do a ukpsa course? think it may have something to do with you mentioning it for a club firstly, this could have been in their mind! do you have BASC m'ship? id possibly get in touch with them and ask advice, or see David BASC on PW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breastman Posted October 21, 2010 Report Share Posted October 21, 2010 (edited) Well just had interview had my feo i always have.I got a 22lr and 31 cal black powder pistol, But no to the shotgun as ive been told i need to do a ukpsa course? and with the slugs im only allowed 75 to hold? i got slugs added but no shotgun? So you've been given the ammunition but no gun to fire it through? Sounds like your FEO, to use your local vernacular, is a farkin' maag! The course he's refering to is the Basic Safety Course for practical shotgun. It isn't supposed to be a mandatory course (unless you want to compete in Lv2 or above competitions) and the UKPSA has said they don't use it as such. I'd speak to which ever shooting body you're a member of to see if there's someone near you that has recently gone through the same thing. Re; the course, personally i went on it off my own accord, simply because i'd never done any PSG before it and wanted to get to grip with the basics before i embarrassed myself at a club comp! Its a two day course of theory, but mainly practical (pun intended) and if you can find a club running a course near you its not expensive. I think it was £50 when i did mine a few years ago. You're usually being instructed by top shooters so it can be very, very helpful - think of getting clay lessons from Mr Digweed! Looking at the Calander on the UKPSA website the next course is at Harlow (where ever that is!) on 5th & 6th November, you might be able to squeeze on there if you're lucky Mark P.S. If you do go on the course and you get your safety cert and competition license you'll want to increase the number of slugs you can have. 250 to buy, 300 to possess is the norm Edited October 21, 2010 by Breastman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperfection Posted October 21, 2010 Report Share Posted October 21, 2010 (edited) Well just had interview had my feo i always have.I got a 22lr and 31 cal black powder pistol, But no to the shotgun as ive been told i need to do a ukpsa course? and with the slugs im only allowed 75 to hold? i got slugs added but no shotgun? Ooo'er! I know members of my club are allowed 250/300 solid slug and no restraints on S1 shotguns-provided they've done the UKPSA course.They do seem a bit restricted with your slug allowance at 75.Get BASC onto it if your a member. Edited October 21, 2010 by Imperfection Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverhawk Posted October 22, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2010 Thankyou ive just had alook at the UKPSA site Harlow aint that far from me.Ive sent them an email so hopefully they have spaces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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