barrelsniffer Posted October 24, 2010 Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 Yes Mick, I did mean steel targets, thanks for pointing that out. Regards,Sprags That wasnt directed at you mate...was the ones who may of thought differently ?? Mick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman Posted October 24, 2010 Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 Some things are best not said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprags Posted October 24, 2010 Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 That wasnt directed at you mate...was the ones who may of thought differently ?? Mick Yeah I know that Mick. Regards,Sprags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprags Posted October 24, 2010 Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 I suppose if a person is set in their ways and objects to long range shooting nothing you can/will say will change their mind. That said, I will continue to shoot at extended ranges while others opt not to! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted October 24, 2010 Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 I feel I need to elaborate on my post; ''Apparently you are a hero if you shoot a Taliban at 2500 metres'' Snipers are trained to achieve that. As for Joe bloggs, who just recieved his FAC, bought the most accurate rifle on the market along with the best scope in the world, then buys an £84.99 ghillie suit from Uttings and starts taking pot shots at animals (knowing the equipment may be up to the job) and thinks hes Vassili Zaitsev Wasnt knocking long range shooting at all. Hope this clears things up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrelsniffer Posted October 24, 2010 Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 I feel I need to elaborate on my post; ''Apparently you are a hero if you shoot a Taliban at 2500 metres'' Snipers are trained to achieve that. As for Joe bloggs, who just recieved his FAC, bought the most accurate rifle on the market along with the best scope in the world, then buys an £84.99 ghillie suit from Uttings and starts taking pot shots at animals (knowing the equipment may be up to the job) and thinks hes Vassili Zaitsev Wasnt knocking long range shooting at all. Hope this clears things up Totally agree with you there mate..as was said wannabes... Mick " OUT " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted October 24, 2010 Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 Totally agree with you there mate..as was said wannabes... Mick " OUT " P.S That a pic of you hiding behind a copy of sporting shooter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagsy Posted October 24, 2010 Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 Just an observation. Apparently you are a hero if you shoot a Taliban at 2500 metres, but shooting live quarry at a few hundred yards makes you a Moron! Just goes to show in this screwed up world we live in people care more about animals than mankind! ...I'll just go and get my coat! ATB!! What a strange comparison to make I certainly don't give a to$$ about the Taliban - the only good one is a dead one. I do however think that live quarry deserves respect. Does that make me screwed up? Maybe it does. Do I care? Errr, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorfolkPoacher Posted October 24, 2010 Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 I think as hunters of live quarry we do have obligations to despatch even the most damaging of pests in the most humane mannor posible. I think it largely boils down to the individuals ability and confidence, with regards to humane shot placement and windage/elevation reading. if you can consistantly hit a 3" kill zone at 500 yards then well done your better then yours truely and by all means carry on. However people taking pot luck shots and wounding is un acceptable and will lead to severe wounding and huge negative public opinion, which we all know could determine the future of hunting as we know it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbart Posted October 24, 2010 Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 Is it not a circumstance sort of thing,taliban excluded as shooting one of those at 2000 yards or 2 is all good.What i mean is if i go lamping tommorow night and lamp a charlie in a certain area @ 350 yards i would call him or try to get closer if he wont come,if he high tails it over the brow of the hill so be it,there will be another time. On another area if i see one @ 350 yards i would send a bullet his way straight away if the circumstances of a hit are high,ie where he is,where i am,wind etc The difference being one on a sheep farm with no lambs about at the minute and the other is right next to my duck pond where a LOT of ducks have been scoffed. And what someone thinks is long range others dont,so it is a personal perception. But i think most normal people would agree that shooting at a hare from the next farm is stupid and the person that SAYS he done it probably shouldnt have a FAC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Logic Posted October 24, 2010 Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 Mungler, I don't think you are aware of how you shoot at long range - you DON'T use holdover, you dial in. The key to the shot is the estimation of range, shooting angle and wind. Get those right, and assuming the rifle's behaving and you don't muck up the shot, you'll hit your target. It's much more precise than you seem to think it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted October 24, 2010 Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 Mungler, I don't think you are aware of how you shoot at long range - you DON'T use holdover, you dial in. The key to the shot is the estimation of range, shooting angle and wind. Get those right, and assuming the rifle's behaving and you don't muck up the shot, you'll hit your target. It's much more precise than you seem to think it is. Again, why not get within 100 yards and aim straight at it? If you miss or clip it, you're right on top of it to get it or have another go at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprags Posted October 24, 2010 Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 (edited) Again, why not get within 100 yards and aim straight at it? If you miss or clip it, you're right on top of it to get it or have another go at it. What if 'getting within 100yds' is not an option? Would you rather let the opportunity go or have the confidence/experience/knowledge to take an accurate shot? EDITED TO ADD: I think this is going to be one of those "Agree to disagree" threads! Edited October 24, 2010 by Sprags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted October 24, 2010 Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 LOL couldn't get within 100 yards eh? Alright then, what about less than 700 yards, 600, 500, 400, 300, or 200? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprags Posted October 24, 2010 Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 LOL couldn't get within 100 yards eh? Alright then, what about less than 700 yards, 600, 500, 400, 300, or 200? You know what I meant Mungler. Tell you what, you stick to your 100yds! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted October 24, 2010 Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 why not get within 100 yards and aim straight at it? surprising how many people still miss or wound at this range Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprags Posted October 24, 2010 Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 why not get within 100 yards and aim straight at it? surprising how many people still miss or wound at this range Well said, that is so true! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Logic Posted October 24, 2010 Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 I'll get as close as is possible without dramatically increasing the chances of being seen. My permissions have little cover so long range shooting is a must for me. The more work you do, the easier it gets, and 100 yards is really close for me now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cookiemonsterandmerlin. Posted October 24, 2010 Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 This a true case of some only feel happy with taking a shot at X amount of yards and another is happy with Z amount of yards. Like all things in life there are diffrent skill levels and we should all learn to respect each other levels of skill be it worst than your or better . Cheers OTH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varmartin Posted October 24, 2010 Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 Again, why not get within 100 yards and aim straight at it? If you miss or clip it, you're right on top of it to get it or have another go at it. I think this post explains your limits to the letter ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted October 24, 2010 Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 My take on long range shooting is that the wind takes away the consistency needed to be accurate. If all there was to consider was drop I would happily take shots at 500+ yards because I feel I could be that steady and dial my drop correctly. The trouble comes when you add wind. It's not a constant like drop. You never know exactly what the wind is going to do even if you have wind meters and flags. At 100 yards if there's a huge gust of wind as I take my shot the drift will be minimal at that range so the bullet will probably still hit the kill zone. If I do fluff it I can probably either shoot again or get up and run to my injured quarry before it manages to crawl back down it's burrow or run into cover. At 500 yards the drift could mean you shoot it's back end off, then because it's moving you have next to no chance of hitting it again. Even if you can jump in a truck and drive to it there's a good chance it will be gone by the time you get to it. People say if you hit a small animal with a centrefire it will die anyway. Well that's true if you hit the main body mass but what if you shoot its jaw or legs off? The energy transfer to the vitals isn't enough to kill in these cases no matter what calibre you're using. Nobody ever said there is no risk of wounding when shooting at under 100 yards but there's no getting around the fact that it's easier to fix a bad shot and also much less likely that you'll make one at shorter ranges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted October 24, 2010 Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 I can see all the "long range snipers" on here getting defensive. The original post was about a 700 yard plus hare. We are not talking a 200 yard shot or a stretched 300 yards shot or even 400 yards. It was about a 700 yard shot. It's just not on. We can agree to disagree on it. Trying to take a swipe at my shooting ability... well you don't know me and you have never shot with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted October 24, 2010 Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 Can someone clarify here why there might NOT be another option than a 700 yard shot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprags Posted October 24, 2010 Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 The original post was about a 700 yard plus hare. No, that was a different thread! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprags Posted October 24, 2010 Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 Can someone clarify here why there might NOT be another option than a 700 yard shot? Speaking for myself, I never said there wasn't! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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