Catamong Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 Some sensible replys there, i would have a couple of rounds if it was'nt serious. Yes, great idea, they're coming in thick and fast. I think MG Man ought to put up a large sign on the day saying "Serious Competitors Not Welcome", that'll really pack 'em in..? Cat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasons gold Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 Yes, great idea, they're coming in thick and fast. I think MG Man ought to put up a large sign on the day saying "Serious Competitors Not Welcome", that'll really pack 'em in..? Cat. Pray tell me what the ratio of serious competitors there would, be compared with non serious That shoot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 Yes, great idea, they're coming in thick and fast. I think MG Man ought to put up a large sign on the day saying "Serious Competitors Not Welcome", that'll really pack 'em in..? I reckon that would actually work I have done few charity shoots over the years normally for fun and a bit of a social, I expect that makes me some sort of weirdo, but we enjoyed the days none the less. The one thing that puts people off is massively hiked entrance fees, it's OK raising a bit on the entry fee but look at the events run by major shooting schools, they are clearly not aimed at the average shooting which is guess is your target audience. Agree with flushes and also 3 or 4 man teams, maybe pub teams? that seems to work too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catamong Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 If my memory serves me correct, we charged £7 per card for the 40 bird charity event, we wanted to keep it as low as possible to maximise entries & re-entries, and that policy certainly paid off, we had nearly 400 entries,(but that was in 1990 :blink: ). We had a mixture of complete novices, "wannabee" straw balers, and guys that had shot at International level, they all had a great time and we got glowing write ups in the shooting mags. The name of the game is to sell as many cards as possible, (and make money out of the food). I take Dunkield's point about massively hiked entrance fees for Charity Events at established shooting grounds, where teams of 4 or 5 guns are expected to pay £300 for the day, but these prices are generally paid by companies who have money to burn on Corporate entertainment, this shoot's aiming at a different market. Cat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 that formula actually makes sense, keep the entry reasonably low offer a few prizes and everyone is happy. My local strawbaler is about £8 a pop for 50 birds and is rammed every time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakerboy Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 May be we should set up a new Forum Topic "Personal Slanging Section" so that those of us who like to be constructive and helpful do not have to read the histrionics of those with long bitter memories. I may well come down to the Mersea shoot, for a day out and somewhere different to shoot, and bring my grandchildren to. Maybe the "Elite Shooters" could donate their time to coach the hopefully many novices that will attend, in fact if the "Elite" offer their services it could be advertised and could bring in more revenue for the CHARITY, and remember this is what this shoot is all about. bakerboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakerboy Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 If you have the space, what about inviting the local Farmers market/ Womens Institue stands, local produce at a good price, charge a little for the stand £10.00, or less and a % of of sales.They could also donate something fromeach stand for raffle prizes, just remember though a raffle prize must be worth winning, people will not buy a ticket if the prizes are poor. I look forward to coming down to Mersea, it is many years since I have been there and even longer since I worked at the Local Bakers (early 70's) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 I look forward to coming down to Mersea, it is many years since I have been there and even longer since I worked at the Local Bakers (early 70's) Which bakers was that bb? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 There was only one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 Which bakers was that MC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 Which bakers was that MC? Some people are such hard work, The one that is in Barfield Road opposite the fire station. The Mill used to be on Mill Road (Funny that) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catamong Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 Perhaps they can cough up some Dough for the event........all in a good cause...? Cat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 Some people are such hard work, The one that is in Barfield Road opposite the fire station. The Mill used to be on Mill Road (Funny that) Barfield Road Was it ever part of Lasts of Colchester bakers? If it's not too much like hard work your input would be much appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 Perhaps they can cough up some Dough for the event........all in a good cause...? Cat. There's no need knead for that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibs Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 Mike, Sounds good. If I had any advice it would be keep it simple as possible in respect of what you are going to do away from the shooting entertainment wise and delegate!. St Osyth held a good one last year for Macmillan nurses. Nothing flash. 50 bird layout, teams of five entering and posting best scores. Followed by an excellent flurry for three of each team afterwards. Catering was a hog roast / buffet plus your usual burger van arrangement, Debs from the Garrison may be up for the van?. A good day out. Most people coming will be there for the shooting. Sort a good charity raffle and your away. Im local so if you need hands on the day setting up etc then as long as not the last week in june / First week in July then happy to lend a hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 I have to say as a none "competitive" but regular clay shooter who pays to shoot I dont like the idea of a cash prize for a charity event! I also dont like the idea of a charity shoot "for shooters" just put a collection jar at each local ground! What i do like the sound of is a day out with some mates, other half's, where i can have a shoot, they can have a go etc have some fun and a good day out for a good cause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakerboy Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 Which bakers was that bb? Smiths if my memory does not fail me, just as you come over the causeway on the left hand side, a white building with a large off road frontage, I used to stay at the Victory Hotel, I also done some work in Cattermulls at Layer Bretton and lots of work in Lasts at Colchester. I was a technical representative in my early days. Of course correct me if I am wrong, 40 years is a long way to go back, when having worked in numerous bakeries throughout the UK and Europe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasons gold Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 Perhaps they can cough up some Dough for the event........all in a good cause...? Cat. And maybe the ice cream man can supply the lolly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakerboy Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 And if we use our loaf's (loaves) we can have our cake and eat it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulos Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 I've shot lots and lots of charity shoots and would say that you won't make much money if there isn't a cash prize. The object is to raise money afterall and people just won't justify going round 2,3 or 4 times if they don't stand to get anything back. This isn't just the top shots either - there are plenty of people who (if the right combination of targets are on), could shoot a 34/40 then think they are in with a shout, so get another card and get a 36, so then get another and do a 35! It's tough luck for them if they don't win the cash, but the point is if they think they can get just a couple more by going round again, they might stand a chance. That's the aim of the game. Although it might not happen very often in the dreary, unfriendly wastes of Essex, quite a few people who win up here will put some or all of their prize money back into the pot, if the shoot has been good and it is for a genuinely worthy charity. There are always the odd surprise results where somebody has a good day and ousts one of the "top shots" from the prize money. A good pool shoot always raises a bit of dosh as well - Walkbacks are quite popular. 2-3 man flushes (25-30 bird) also generate a bit of cash and are great fun. They are also fast so you can get more people through. For me: 40 bird sporting over 6 stands. £100 High Gun £50 Runner up S/S class - cash or a bottle etc Raffle A few random flash clays in the traps with a prize for hitting one Novice prize (On the novice stand - a plastic trophy or a bottle is enough to keep any beginner happy) Junior prize Ladies prize 4 Man team prize? Decent pool shoot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 (edited) "You won't get the entries / re-entries without a prize" That's pure bull poop for the roses that statement. EDIT: Also, how many cards do you have to sell to cover the expense of £150 cash prize fund, less the cost of any clays and any overhead. Oh yeah, MG Man don't forget to get the insurance nailed down. Edited January 6, 2011 by Mungler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulos Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 (edited) You won't get people to go round 3 or 4 times without incentive. Do you have experience of the contrary? Presumably, you will have volunteers marking stands and you will not be making a profit for yourself so the cost of the actual shoot should be fairly cheap so making the £150 should be fairly easy. Alternatively, you could ask an uncharacteristically generous Essex solicitor-type to donate towards it? They seem to have plenty of money to throw around in the pursuit of plastic trophies. Edited January 6, 2011 by paulos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 Just how many serious competition pot hunters can we expect? Also how many people will go round 3 or 4 times and if it's busy will it be possible (physically) to go round 2 or 3 times - this is a Saturday bash for rotary after all. Also, people want a cheap price on a re-entry. The numbers don't stack up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulos Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 £10-12 entry for a 40 bird shoot (that's northern prices - obviously there will be a 'southern levy' to add to that). If you have it over a minimum of 6 or 7 stands, people will get through fine (provided traps are kept topped up). I know JJ's have 6 pairs per stands but most have the common sense to have less and this keeps the queues down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJN Posted January 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 Mung, Insurance is already in Place as RIBI (our governing body) has a policy that covers these type of events as long as the 'ELF an Safety, risk assessment etc. has been done. :- we're covered for Donkey derbys, duck races, bed races and the like Dances, concerts, exhibitions, fashion shows Street collections, erection of banners Barbecues, coffee mornings, cheese and wine events Carnivals, fetes, fairs, galas and fun days Trailers not attached to a road vehicle Hiring public buildings/council land (where contracts are signed see page 2) Sponsored walks, swims, cycle rides etc (restricted to Great Britain and Ireland) Fireworks displays, subject to the use of a specialist company (see page 5) “It‟s a Knockout” type event Horse riding events Jumble Sales, Bring and Buy Sales, Car Boot Sales Clay Pigeon Shoots – refer to Clay Pigeon Shooting Association for safety regulations (Tel. No. 01483 485400, Website www.cpsagb.co.uk) Inflatable castles – refer to safety notes issued by www.pipa.org.uk – Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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