monster1971 Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 i cant remember the model now it was synthetic with all the chokes etc in a blue plastic case actually very similar lokking to the hatsan except the fore was more pointed its not on my licence anymore as it was renewed when i moved house damn awful gun though also on a similar note i had a baikel 12 o/u that never played up but my miroku 6000 quite often doesnt fire the second barrel if i use cheap carts its ok on black gold or hull high pheasant so the better makes arent always better guns jason harris from trulock and harris who i bought the hatsan from advised me to use engine oil on the spring not gun oil and so far his advise is spot on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeRobb Posted February 20, 2011 Report Share Posted February 20, 2011 Benelli all the way pal, been there done that, bought my Centro second hand for £550 it's never missed a beat. i've shot and owned other makes but none compare to the benelli, the guy's i shoot with have over the years converted too and like myself swear by these guns. it's just a case of keeping your eyes open and you'll find something take my advice and don't rush into buying a gun just for the sake of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tasum Posted February 22, 2011 Report Share Posted February 22, 2011 (edited) +1 for benelli, m2 great gun Hatsan's are cheaper but very effective tools. Buy what you can afford, you can always upgrade if you feel the need. You'll always be able to sell the Hatsan, but I bet you'll keep it Edited February 22, 2011 by tasum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete1dart Posted February 22, 2011 Report Share Posted February 22, 2011 I love my Beretta extrema 2. I use it for all my vermin control. I havnt really used it much with lighter loads. I did put some 28g 8's through it a while back and it jammed up a couple of times. This is the first auto i have had and I do find sometimes that when the fired cartridge flys out it brings some what i think is un-burnt powder with it? I normally find it when i am roosting or shooting birds that are coming straight over my head. I use shooting glasses with it now and that has solved the problem. Has anybody else found this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Burpster Posted February 22, 2011 Report Share Posted February 22, 2011 i cant remember the model now it was synthetic with all the chokes etc in a blue plastic case actually very similar lokking to the hatsan except the fore was more pointed its not on my licence anymore as it was renewed when i moved house damn awful gun though also on a similar note i had a baikel 12 o/u that never played up but my miroku 6000 quite often doesnt fire the second barrel if i use cheap carts its ok on black gold or hull high pheasant so the better makes arent always better guns jason harris from trulock and harris who i bought the hatsan from advised me to use engine oil on the spring not gun oil and so far his advise is spot on Its a shame you had problems with a Beretta, but I'm sure a decent dealer would have had that back in and tweaked it - as they didnt I question their abilty as a 'smith. The AL391 action is dead easy to work on and yours probably had a i) leaky gas seal in the piston assembly or ii) the compensator valve spring wanted adjusting - either of these are a 10 min job for a competant gunsmith. I'm also pleased that you are happy with your Hatstand, the one I owned was competant but nothing more. The point your missing is that you have singled out one Beretta that probably only needed 10 minutes work (I've owned 2 AL391 synthetics and they were faultless) to put back to its best, but you loose sight of that fact that most folks on here have had, or know someone that has had issues with a Hatsan. That is poor design. They are cheap for a reason, if your happy with that then fine, but don't state that Berettas are not worthy of the reputation they have because you had one bad experience that you weren't bothered to address. Berettas do not have a 10 yr warranty for no reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monster1971 Posted February 23, 2011 Report Share Posted February 23, 2011 reading through my remarks i dont see anywhere that i said all berretas are bad guns ,i would happily own another ,all i was saying is that all manufacturers have some problems at some time or other. not all hatsans are bad either maybe just a higher percentage . before putting words in my mouth burpster maybe you should read my message correctly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Burpster Posted February 23, 2011 Report Share Posted February 23, 2011 had a beretta synthetic cost me 700 quid new about 4 years ago was a bloody pain wouldnt cycle anything under 32g .phoned dealer and he said it needed more use to loosen it up i got fed up and sold it back to him at 250 loss bought a hatsan last year and never had a jam on any size cart This shows that some beretta's are not made properly while most critersize the Hatsan escort for having problem. Nice to hear that good manufacturers also make a bad gun one in a wile, so why dont you stop critersizing the hatsan. Thanks for putting this up 'monster1971', but what a shame that you made a loss on the gun after all their supposed to be good guns Monster, The post I quoted was your clarification of your earlier post that prompted another negative post as above, and other negative enquiries. The drive of that post was that you had had, a bad experience with Beretta and you were clearly pointing out to others that your Hatsan was a better gun. My point was you had bought a gun with a problem but then it seems did very little to rectify that problem other than to part with the gun (clearly at a loss) and then tell everyone on here its ****. Had you persevered with it you will have found it was worth every penny youspent on it - but to give it such a negative write up without even insisting that the supplier or their 'smith tries to rectify it smacks of 'well it cost a lot therefore it should be perfect'. Sadly life isnt that straightforward. My post was to redress the balance for the reasons I clearly state. I may be wrong, you may have spent hours pleading with the dealer to sort it - but thats not what you posted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super sharp shooter Posted February 23, 2011 Report Share Posted February 23, 2011 Hi guys Different gun same sort of issue My Browning Fusion Evolve was leaving the cartridge in the loading tray and not loading into the barrel. I tried many different brands and sizes of cartridges but could not find ones that worked but the hatsan will load all of the ones i tried in the browning so i took i back to the shop and within an hour browning had picked it up from the dealer. This was 2 days ago and now im waiting for a phone call fingers crossed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr D Posted February 23, 2011 Report Share Posted February 23, 2011 Benelli all the way pal, been there done that, bought my Centro second hand for £550 it's never missed a beat. i've shot and owned other makes but none compare to the benelli, the guy's i shoot with have over the years converted too and like myself swear by these guns. it's just a case of keeping your eyes open and you'll find something take my advice and don't rush into buying a gun just for the sake of it. could'nt agree more. I bought a benelli in Sept 26in monti. Fired hundred of rounds through it since then. It has never missed a beat and is a joy shoot with in a pigeon hide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semi Posted February 24, 2011 Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 My advice would be to test whatever gun you go for before you buy it!!! I say this as I bought a cheap gun from a local dealer which threw such a bad pattern that I pricked almost everything for a whole season with everyone saying "just a bit more lead" until I saw it throw a six foot pattern over water at 30 yards. Don't ask how, it just did, and it wasn't me getting every bird I shot at on the edge of the pattern thank goodness. I tested a Berretta semi-auto alongside a Winchester semi-auto and insisted that I pattern tested them at up to 60 yards. The Berretta threw a good pattern but shot 2 feet high at this range for both me and the gun dealer. Maybe this was due to the direction of the ejected gas in the reloading mechanism which caused a more vertical recoil. However, the Winchester was spot on and with changable chokes it could hold a killing pattern to long ranges with its smoothly tapered chokes. It does jam however whenever it is used with short cartridges so if you experience jams, maybe select 70mm cartridges. This solved the jam problem completely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monster1971 Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 be carefull what you say about berrettas semi or burpster might get out of his pram again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 I saw it throw a six foot pattern over water at 30 yards. How do you pattern a gun over water :unsure: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Burpster Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 be carefull what you say about berrettas semi or burpster might get out of his pram again How do you pattern a gun over water :unsure: Bloody carefully I would suggest! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan gun Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 I looked at escorts but wasn't for me got a beretta a303 along with hull special game 32g of6 and game bore buffalo and it does the job of anything you want it to it speciality is pigeons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 Bloody carefully I would suggest! Bloody impossible I would suggest! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreeZey Posted March 15, 2011 Report Share Posted March 15, 2011 I joined just to ask this question Basically I've got my decision down to two guns, either: Benelli M2 Field or Browning Maxus Both are the same price and have good reviews. At the moment I'm slightly in favour of the Maxus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon123 Posted March 15, 2011 Report Share Posted March 15, 2011 I joined just to ask this question Basically I've got my decision down to two guns, either: Benelli M2 Field or Browning Maxus Both are the same price and have good reviews. At the moment I'm slightly in favour of the Maxus. That's one tough choice you've got there mate. Both are great looking guns and are great working guns aswell. Although the M2 is much easier and faster to clean. My advice to you is to get the one which fits you best ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreeZey Posted March 15, 2011 Report Share Posted March 15, 2011 Although the M2 is much easier and faster to clean. Really? I watched a couple of videos on youtube and the Maxus looked easier to disassemble (not that there was much in it). I'm probably going to Litts this weekend and hopefully they'll have one of each in stock so I can take a look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Bull Posted March 15, 2011 Report Share Posted March 15, 2011 why not try a spas 12 sorry just had to put it on hatsan curtainly has a good rep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted March 16, 2011 Report Share Posted March 16, 2011 i bought a supernova pump to basicly trash. it has taken a good beating. i actually have a good respect fot it now. as a dedicated rough gun you cant go wrong with these. i know they have a bad rep being pump. but it shoots. if you are quick enough its as fast as an auto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreeZey Posted March 16, 2011 Report Share Posted March 16, 2011 why not try a spas 12 sorry just had to put it on hatsan curtainly has a good rep Is that a French pump action? Are those legal in the UK? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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