wymberley Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 strange argument as its overkill on bunnies and we are talking a bunny gun here rather than anything else, hornet gets out performed by the .22cf's if you are using it on foxes in pretty much every way Except cost if you only shooting within the range of which the Hornet is capable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted February 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 strange argument as its overkill on bunnies and we are talking a bunny gun here rather than anything else, hornet gets out performed by the .22cf's if you are using it on foxes in pretty much every way It is a bunny gun alex so i think the hornet would be overkill, i want something to maybe put NV on and that can be carried about with ease and take a fox from a high seat if required. We usually keep a 243 in the back when lamping and we will be merrily shooting bunny's with the 22LR and then see the familiar glow, by the time you have unloaded, swapped rifles, reloaded, got the lamp back on.....squeaked...gone! at least with a WMR it would be a point and shoot deal up to 100yards. Regards, Gixer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentKill Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 It is a bunny gun alex so i think the hornet would be overkill, i want something to maybe put NV on and that can be carried about with ease and take a fox from a high seat if required. We usually keep a 243 in the back when lamping and we will be merrily shooting bunny's with the 22LR and then see the familiar glow, by the time you have unloaded, swapped rifles, reloaded, got the lamp back on.....squeaked...gone! at least with a WMR it would be a point and shoot deal up to 100yards. Regards, Gixer its a shame the WMR is not a bit more stealthy in its muzzle report! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Logic Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 I'm having a hard time following this one... The general opinion is that with HMR and WMR you need to head shoot a bunny for it to be edible. Well, the same is true of Hornet. I can handload it for the same cost roughly as HMR ammo. It makes an identical report to HMR, flies as flat as HMR but without as much windage, and it hits harder than either WMR or HMR. Don't think of it as a baby centrefire, think of it as a versatile rimfire. Once you have gone supersonic you're making a similar level of noise until you head up to 222 and 223 etc, and if you can safely use a WMR then you can safely use a Hornet. I know which I'd rather have for the occasional fox, and a bunny with no head doesn't worry me a bit. Seriously, with WMR and HMR and a rabbit head shot, you normally get left the ears and maybe an eye. With Hornet, you won't have the eye. Is that REALLY overkill?!?!?!?!?! If so, you want to try bunnykins with a 178gr 30 cal Hornady A-max. That I will accept as overkill... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentKill Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 but the .17 and .22 are more likely to get clearance over the Hornet? (in most places) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 It is a bunny gun alex so i think the hornet would be overkill, i want something to maybe put NV on and that can be carried about with ease and take a fox from a high seat if required. We usually keep a 243 in the back when lamping and we will be merrily shooting bunny's with the 22LR and then see the familiar glow, by the time you have unloaded, swapped rifles, reloaded, got the lamp back on.....squeaked...gone! at least with a WMR it would be a point and shoot deal up to 100yards. Regards, Gixer thats exactly what we do with the HMR, either that or have two people shooting one with each. HMR works fine and its a stonking bunny gun accurate with factory ammo, reasonable to run and a reasonable amount of clout. Its not a fox gun but works well its a dilema and you have to work what fits your situation best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted February 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 The other problem with the hornet is I'd have to go out and buy reloading gear and learn how to reload them as apposed to the WMR which I can go and buy a box of for cheaper than it is to feed an hmr. Regards Gixer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Logic Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 I can't see clearance being a problem. From what I hear, most of the time a 22 Hornet gets the nod where rabbit and fox are concerned - HO guidelines list it and the .17 Rem for this purpose. Hornet is much easier to work with! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Logic Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 Reloading gear for Hornet is a single stage press, powder measure and dies, you can do the lot for £200 new, and a lot less secondhand. I can see the point of the WMR in a non-reloading world. Indeed, it was on my ticket as a slot for a while for that very reason. Then I started reloading and all of a sudden the Hornet made sense again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owain Posted February 8, 2011 Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 I own both .22 mag and a hornet. I bought both guns together and only bought the wmr as it was a good price and we got some foxing on rimfire only cleared land. Now my tickets open I'm selling the wmr as I can use the hornet anywhere. They are both good calibers and both serve a purpose. But if don't want to reload or don't want to go cf and you want to shoot foxes the wmr takes some beating. Cheers owain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted February 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 I own both .22 mag and a hornet. I bought both guns together and only bought the wmr as it was a good price and we got some foxing on rimfire only cleared land. Now my tickets open I'm selling the wmr as I can use the hornet anywhere. They are both good calibers and both serve a purpose. But if don't want to reload or don't want to go cf and you want to shoot foxes the wmr takes some beating. Cheers owain Thanks Owain, I've got the 243 to cover the centrefire bit and as most know that takes some beating for a flat shooting round at most ranges, but it's more the changing between rifles for rabbit and fox if lamping or sitting in a high seat. can't wait to try out this WMR!!! Regards, Gixer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentKill Posted February 8, 2011 Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 What did you go for in the end Gixer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted February 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 What did you go for in the end Gixer? I went back to the nostalgic cowboy gun.... a Winchester 9422M and she's a looker! it has a scope ion just now but that's coming off in favour of irons! I've already had the jokes from my friends about a saddle holster and a stetson... Regards, Gixer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentKill Posted February 8, 2011 Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 I went back to the nostalgic cowboy gun.... a Winchester 9422M and she's a looker! it has a scope ion just now but that's coming off in favour of irons! I've already had the jokes from my friends about a saddle holster and a stetson... Regards, Gixer Shame its a winchester! i prefer my Marlin Underlever! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted February 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 Shame its a winchester! i prefer my Marlin Underlever! I've heard all sorts of debates on this and there seems to be a 50/50 split! although I posted a link in this thread i think that swung it for me, there was also an ERMA EG212 that looked nice but i couldn't seem to find much info and to be honest the winchesters have a good name, the marlins are easier to take to bits but the winnies have scope rails and a smoother action as standard apparently? there was a golden marlin that looked nice though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentKill Posted February 8, 2011 Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 I've heard all sorts of debates on this and there seems to be a 50/50 split! although I posted a link in this thread i think that swung it for me, there was also an ERMA EG212 that looked nice but i couldn't seem to find much info and to be honest the winchesters have a good name, the marlins are easier to take to bits but the winnies have scope rails and a smoother action as standard apparently? there was a golden marlin that looked nice though... It depends on Application, you wont find many Winchester's on the competition line in Gallery Rifle, or Bianchi etc they simply cannot stand the pace. Dont get me wrong they are ok guns but dont cut it against the marlins! i would also say the Marlins are alot more reliable than the winchesters and dont stove pipe. Plus the action is smoother out the box, and can be made very slick very easily! i'm using the 1894's as an example, cant speak for the one you have purchased! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted February 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 This was kinda where i got the info silent - http://www.leverguns.com/articles/marlin_vs_winchester.htm Regards, Gixer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentKill Posted February 8, 2011 Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 This was kinda where i got the info silent - http://www.leverguns.com/articles/marlin_vs_winchester.htm Regards, Gixer Interesting read, as i said i cant vouch for the .22! my Marlin is a .44 underlever! as with all action guns they will get smoother over time! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted February 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 When i searched for info on here for Underlevers or 9422's the reoccuring theme seemed to be "had one and wish i never sold it" so they must be fairly good! Regards, Gixer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted February 8, 2011 Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 Interesting read, as i said i cant vouch for the .22! my Marlin is a .44 underlever! as with all action guns they will get smoother over time! We use to have great fun witha .444 Marlin on Warcop ranges some years ago! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted February 8, 2011 Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 try buying a wmr with a slot for .22rf at my local rfd you will be politely asked to "move along" KW I have no issue with the point you are making but if you have a slot for a .22RF then they can sell you any .22rf they want perfectly legally, if they chose not to that is their decision. The fact is NO SLOT should read .22RF in my book, it should be specific, this is a failing of the Police! ATB! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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