hunters_return Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 Hi, A friend of mine has his renewal up very soon for his sgc. He has received a notice letter from his feo. Every time he phones to sort out a home visit he is told they are snowed under and will get round to him when they get chance. I have told him to email them now so it is on record that he is trying to sort it out. Question is, what does he do, if it runs out before they get round to renewing it? Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vermincinerator Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 (edited) Hi, A friend of mine has his renewal up very soon for his sgc. He has received a notice letter from his feo. Every time he phones to sort out a home visit he is told they are snowed under and will get round to him when they get chance. I have told him to email them now so it is on record that he is trying to sort it out. Question is, what does he do, if it runs out before they get round to renewing it? Paul If his certificates are not renewed on time your mate will have to lodge his firearms with a RFD, "THIS IS THE LAW" regardless what the licensing office tells your mate. FLO's telling certificate holders that it is okay to keep your guns at home once your licences have expired are enciting you to commit a criminal offence. Ian. Edited February 10, 2011 by Vermincinerator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 a crimianal offence of their making, Herts used to be ok if you submitted it on time and it was their delay and would put that in writing. However if your mate is worried as they are shotguns then they can be transferred easily onto a friends SGC for storage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 As has been said it is his legal responsibility to lodge his shotgun with a RFD or a friend who has a SGC and who is willing to enter it on his SGC and store it for him. Quite simple really. If you lodge it with a shooting buddy you can still go out shooting with him and use it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunters_return Posted February 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 Thank you guys, I would be willing to add them to my cert untill he is sorted but that is not realy the point. They sent him a reminder and he sent it straight back with plenty of time to spare. And now they are realy dragging their heels. I have sent them a strong email today from his account, an am now awaiting a reply. Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 The other thing to request [in writing] is a section 7 exemption certificate. Allows you to keep the guns, just not buy ammo or use them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 why has he given you access to his email or are we talking about your "mate" meaning you :blink: but as you mention they had to send a reminder the implication is the forms were late going back so they will need to be lodged with someone else before the day of expiry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 The other thing to request [in writing] is a section 7 exemption certificate. Allows you to keep the guns, just not buy ammo or use them. What evil, hidious monster thought that idea up? Hitler...Mengeles? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunters_return Posted February 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 Al4x, If it was me I would have no hesitation in saying so. As a fellow director,I have Access to his works email account as does he mine. Two months notice in my opinion is enough time to renew a shotgun cert, maybe not for a first time application but a renewal (Yes) but then i have been known to be wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redgum Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 I renewed mine last year, had an renewal pack in the post 2 months before expiry of old one. Filled it all in and sent it off 6 weeks before expiry. A week left and nothing, rang my FEO and he told me that as the new application was being processed and the delay was their fault I should carry on as normal ( just no being able to buy carts ) that I did and the new license arrive 2 weeks later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigG Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 (edited) I had this in Hampsire. Emailed them to get something in writing, it was thair issue not mine. Carried on as normal without a thought. When i did get it they missed a gun on the renewal, phoned them up sorted in less than a week. I would have thought it a little harsh to prosecute or take guns away when it is beyond your control? Edited February 10, 2011 by BigG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 I had this in Hampsire. Emailed them to get something in writing, it was thair issue not mine. Carried on as normal without a thought. When i did get it they missed a gun on the renewal, phoned them up sorted in less than a week. I would have thought it a little harsh to prosecute or take guns away when it is beyond your control? I'm getting a bit lost with all this, just where is the problem? IF you let your certificate expire and keep your guns you have broken the law. DEMAND a temp certificate if it looks like you are running out of time for the full renewal, especially if is the region slowing things down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigG Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 Paperwork sent back in my case 2 months ahead of expiry date. Hampsire at the time 3 months behind their normal service. Given they knew I obviously had the guns being pragmatic seems the best option. As stated beyond the shooters control IMHO harsh to prosecute or take guns away. Not suggesting that is legally correct but under the circumstances I would have thought acceptable? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redgum Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 I'm getting a bit lost with all this, just where is the problem? IF you let your certificate expire and keep your guns you have broken the law. DEMAND a temp certificate if it looks like you are running out of time for the full renewal, especially if is the region slowing things down. I'll send you a map olde mate, if I have to believe you or my firearm department I think I will believe the later. There is a major problem with delays as we all know and so do the police, therefore some level headed thinking is needed. Put another way Dekers, do you know of anyone who has been prosecuted for not having a license that has been in this position of delayed license. Of course you need to talk to your firearms dept to make sure they are processing and are in reciept of your application and are ok with you using your shotguns when in this position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 (edited) I'll send you a map olde mate, if I have to believe you or my firearm department I think I will believe the later. There is a major problem with delays as we all know and so do the police, therefore some level headed thinking is needed. Put another way Dekers, do you know of anyone who has been prosecuted for not having a license that has been in this position of delayed license. Of course you need to talk to your firearms dept to make sure they are processing and are in reciept of your application and are ok with you using your shotguns when in this position. Perhaps life has tought me to NOT to trust anybody, and that is even more true in this day and age with everyone covering their ****! I don't believe a lot my firearms department tell me, and especially my last FEO who has recently Retired, leaving a few things to sort out. I applied for my last renewal around 3 months before expiry, my region dragged their heels, a week before my certificates expired I phoned them yet again and was told not to worry, we know you are ok, I requested a Temporary and got it, and slept better! Believe your firearms department when they write you a letter to say don't worry your current certificate has expired, until then worry! After all, who is the ONLY person who stands to get in a heap of trouble if you are in possession of unlicensed guns? ATB! Edited February 10, 2011 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malantone Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 Up here in Cumbria I have no problems with my FEO in fact in December he turned up on my door step to inform me my s/g cert needed renewing, this was done without hesitation. service eh, but then we have been neighbours since 1986. :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted February 11, 2011 Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 Perhaps life has tought me to NOT to trust anybody, and that is even more true in this day and age with everyone covering their ****! I don't believe a lot my firearms department tell me, and especially my last FEO who has recently Retired, leaving a few things to sort out. I applied for my last renewal around 3 months before expiry, my region dragged their heels, a week before my certificates expired I phoned them yet again and was told not to worry, we know you are ok, I requested a Temporary and got it, and slept better! Believe your firearms department when they write you a letter to say don't worry your current certificate has expired, until then worry! After all, who is the ONLY person who stands to get in a heap of trouble if you are in possession of unlicensed guns? ATB! if you want to run scared all your life then fine, however round us apparently there is as much work involved in issuing you a temporary license as the real thing. Simple fact is its their backlog you haven't had a certificate revoked and if they received your renewal in good time then they aren't going to do anything. Simply put what is the judge going to say when you provide a bank statement showing the money being taken two months before expiry of your current ticket. Its going to get laughed out of court and the department will get a kick up the backside, however the simple fact is what licensing dept is going to tell you its fine and due to their backlog and then request a team to go and collect your guns by force when they know its their own fault. However if you got the forms in late and haven't spoken to them its a different matter, with shotguns it is simple to get them held by someone else FAC is different and it starts costing you a packet lodging them with an RFD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vermincinerator Posted February 11, 2011 Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 if you want to run scared all your life then fine, however round us apparently there is as much work involved in issuing you a temporary license as the real thing. Simple fact is its their backlog you haven't had a certificate revoked and if they received your renewal in good time then they aren't going to do anything. Simply put what is the judge going to say when you provide a bank statement showing the money being taken two months before expiry of your current ticket. Its going to get laughed out of court and the department will get a kick up the backside, however the simple fact is what licensing dept is going to tell you its fine and due to their backlog and then request a team to go and collect your guns by force when they know its their own fault. However if you got the forms in late and haven't spoken to them its a different matter, with shotguns it is simple to get them held by someone else FAC is different and it starts costing you a packet lodging them with an RFD You are so wrong, being in posession of an unlicensed firearm is a crimanal offence,THATS FINAL! Firearms licensing offices do not write the laws or enforce them thats the job of the lawmakers and the police. If you are stopped on your way home from a shoot with an unlicensed firearm and lapsed licence, the PC says can i say your FAC/SGC sir?? You WILL be arrested, You WILL appear in court and even if it gets dismissed you WILL have a crimanl record and grounds for the revocation of your FAC/SGC anyway its a no win situation. If your licence has expired you must lodge your firearms with a RFD or a freind who can sign them onto his licence. You are a fool if you dont. Ian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted February 11, 2011 Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 (edited) ok speculate all you like I can only go on what actually happens here where when they had problems they did write to people saying that if their new ticket wasn't delivered in time it was fine as the issue was their end. Doesn't seem to happen now but the people I know that had it happen their new ticket was back dated anyway so effectively they never didn't have a ticket just didn't have it in their hands. Effectively we are only talking cases where the FEO has been consulted rather than just deciding yourself it is fine. Edited February 11, 2011 by al4x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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