Spara Dritto Posted February 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 So John_r please for the thousndth time, tell us what works for you when it comes to gun fit! instead of saying, "oh ... well.. there are many different things that are better to check gun fit then this" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_R Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 Having a life away from the PC, as I do, I am cooking dinner, which I will relax and enjoy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spara Dritto Posted February 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 The title says "a way of checking gun fit" (meaning 1 of many) then in my explaination "This is only a rough guid to getting a gun fit but hope it helps you none the less!" (meaning it wont solv everything) How much more honest can i be as to prove im not saying i know everything, its purly to help other people out, explaining what has worked for me. Have a nice day and stop spamming and making out your amazing. thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spara Dritto Posted February 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 (edited) Having a life away from the PC, as I do, I am cooking dinner, which I will relax and enjoy. So you have time to come back and act like a muppet and spam on a useful post... but cant back up your claims of " I know far better ways of checking gun fit" Go on sir leave this thread as you are mearly digging your self a hole, and acting like a muppet, il be sure to chuck a pick axe down when ever you hit rockbottom. Edited February 10, 2011 by Beretta Italy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 Is it half term again already? If you can only see the bead how do you know your eye is directly behind the barrel? Anyone who knows what they are talking about (and you are not included in that statement) will tell you about the pound coin trick. You can see the bead from anywhere, you only know your eye is aligned with the bore if you can see the rib. I sugeest you stop arguing as mosy people who disagree with you on this have been shooting twice as long as you have been alive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spara Dritto Posted February 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 as soon as you see the rib you are looking below the bead so how can you correctly point the gun and line the barrels up to the target if your not looking parallel to the barrels?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 I think you will find that as soon as you see the rib you are ABOVE the rib and bead not below it. Also how do you know the rib is parallel to BOTH bores? The centre of the bores at the breech is further apart than the centre ot the muzzles so how can the rib be parallel to both bores? In case you don't know what parallel means ask your maths teacher on monday. The MOST important thing about gun fit is it shoots to where you are looking, not what you see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 And you still haven't managed to answer how you can know your eye is aligned with the bore if you cannot see the rib? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_R Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 BI, your childish, excitable drivel has gone too far for me to bother with this thread any longer. Sorry, but that's how it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spara Dritto Posted February 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 And you still haven't managed to answer how you can know your eye is aligned with the bore if you cannot see the rib? You know your eye is aligned because if you cant see the rib and dont have the barrels blocking your site, you are 100% looking down the barrels parrelle! so when you see the bead and the clay meet up that the barrels are perfectly inline.... makes sence! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 The reason i say mount the gun eyes closed is that you can not adjust your posisition, be it neck, jaw or cheek to beable to see the bead. Close eye mounting gets you into a comfy (correct - if checked) position without you moving and adjusting yourself to fit the gun! as i say, the gun should fit you not the other way round Just tried this, mounting with my eyes closed.................... mounted it differently every time :blink: Stare at a spot on the wall and mount the gun onto that, then check rib/ bead alignment its spot on every time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spara Dritto Posted February 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 That enough of the arguing, if you dont like what i have to say dont come on this post. its what works for me and other people, if it doesnyt work for you 2 then fine, im happy for you. Many thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardo Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 let's keep this a friendly argument please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 as soon as you see the rib you are looking below the bead so how can you correctly point the gun and line the barrels up to the target if your not looking parallel to the barrels?? Because the rib is tapered Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spara Dritto Posted February 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 (edited) skip to 1.45 this blind mounting seems common pratice across the world... Another guy saying about blind mounting. again it looks like its just you 2 that it doesnt work for. Edited February 10, 2011 by Beretta Italy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardo Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 i've tidied this thread again, and will say once more, keep it a friendly argument Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 You know your eye is aligned because if you cant see the rib and dont have the barrels blocking your site, you are 100% looking down the barrels parrelle! so when you see the bead and the clay meet up that the barrels are perfectly inline.... makes sence! That is simply not true, If you can only see one point you have no idea where it is, your eyes have to have two points to reference. How can you have the barrels blocking your sight when you eyes are looking down them? You really don't have a clue do you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albertan_J Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 If you point shoot and hit something it fits lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest1957 Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 I can make the bead and an object meet with the barrel right away from my face. I only seem to hit when there is some of the rib visible before the bead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spara Dritto Posted February 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 (edited) You say i dont have a clue, im not saying im right, im purly passing on videos and info that i've read. how much more honest can i be? both the following videos took me 30 seconds to find both say do the closed eye mount, its not my invention but seem to be taking stick for it. quote from beatisthebest: "all you should see is the bead" Quote from another forum : (shotgunworld) That was a really great answer, Rick. Here is what I've experienced with my gunsmith; LOP You want a LOP (length of pull) that generally positions your face about 2-3" from the back of the receiver of your gun. Close your eyes, and mount the gun; a good LOP will allow you the 2-3" plus a relaxed arm on the foregrip without having to stretch that arm out (do this about 5 times). A stretched (non-relaxed) foregrip arm can seriously affect both your mount and your swing. Also, a good LOP will never ever cause your stock to hang up on your vest. Trigger As for LOP at the trigger, you should be able to squeeze the pistolgrip firmly and pull the trigger without stretching it out. Cast Stock cast affects the left-to-right view of your mount. Again, mounting your gun with closed eyes, open both eyes and check your sight picture with your shooting eye (again, do this 5 times for repeatability); if youre not looking straight down the rib, you need to think about some cast adjustment to your stock. Drop Stock drop affects the up-down view of your mount. The comb (top edge of the stock) is what typically affects drop. A high comb pushes the tip of the gun up, while a low comb does the opposite. A closed-eye mount 5 times will tell you how your drop looks; of you continually see the top of the rib, your comb is a bit high, if you see the back of the rib, but not the tip, then your comb is low. Note that with most angled combs, you LOP will affect your drop - the farther forward your face, the "higher" the comb feels. This is just a laymans experience. I hope it helps! Read more: http://www.shotgunwo...3#ixzz1DZt7F6qk Edited February 10, 2011 by Beretta Italy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardo Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 i have to say when i had my gun fitted (at a very reputable gunsmiths) - they made me do the eyes closed mount a couple of times Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spara Dritto Posted February 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 Many thanks for your post nick, did you find the closed eye mount worked out for you correctly? or did you seem to find that your eye seemed to be in the wrong place on different guns? I suppose it takes a while to get use to how the mount should be done, if you cant mount correctly to start with then this method wouldnt work. pratice is the key! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davecooper1 Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 i have to say when i had my gun fitted (at a very reputable gunsmiths) - they made me do the eyes closed mount a couple of times Have to say my gunsmith did the same with me. All I can say is if you are hitting live game, pigeons or clays fairly consistantly, then I dont worry to much about gun fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 Hi, Oh, yes it is. Oh, no it isn't. Ad infinitum knocking up almost 50 posts in the process. Meanwhile, Bakerboy put an important post on Off Topic (Mods, could I suggest that this warrants moving to Gen. Shooting Matters?) which seems to have bottomed out at 23 posts. This topic surely warrants more debate that that generated by a juvenile with little or no knowledge now or in the future if he refuses to listen to his peers Cheers PS I expect to take a hammering but I genuinely think that I have a point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 Is it half term again already? If you can only see the bead how do you know your eye is directly behind the barrel? Anyone who knows what they are talking about (and you are not included in that statement) will tell you about the pound coin trick. You can see the bead from anywhere, you only know your eye is aligned with the bore if you can see the rib. I sugeest you stop arguing as mosy people who disagree with you on this have been shooting twice as long as you have been alive. Some interesting comments on this thread, the bottom line is it works if you hit things, but I'm with MC on this one as above! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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