Blackpowder Posted February 24, 2011 Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 My first gun was a number 3 bore or 9mm vermin or garden gun, the original eley shot cartridges had a brass base and pale green cardboard body. The paper or cardboard was supposed to fire through the barrel leaving only the brass or was it copper base to eject. Then along came Fiocchi with their chrome plated all metal cartridges a vast improvement as I am sure smouldering paper discharged from a gun barrel was a good recipe for burning down barns. The gun , it was an "Acme" was a family thing and it had fallen into my teenage hands when only shot cartridges were available. However there had at one time been bullets, described to me by the local gubnshop as, "breech cap bullets" whatever they were. I do recall Gough Thomas writing of these decades ago as being only powered by the precussion cap, but perfoprmance could be improved by separating the ball or bullet from the case and adding a few grains of powder. Has anyone on the forum came across any of these 9mm solid ball cartridges? Blackpowder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy H Posted February 24, 2011 Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 They had a very small amount of powder in them , One was an 80 grain ball pressed lightly into the case and the other was a spire point , I am looking at one of each now as i type this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackpowder Posted February 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 They had a very small amount of powder in them , One was an 80 grain ball pressed lightly into the case and the other was a spire point , I am looking at one of each now as i type this. Thanks Andy, I had never actually seen one for real or in cartridge collections. Blackpowder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigchap Posted February 24, 2011 Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 i've just reloaded some 9mm cartridges with sg out of a 12g cartridge,you can get 5 of them in and it turns them into a very good rabbit cartridge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackpowder Posted February 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 i've just reloaded some 9mm cartridges with sg out of a 12g cartridge,you can get 5 of them in and it turns them into a very good rabbit cartridge. Hi I take it you have removed the fine shot in the case and retained the powder charge and rim fire primer, sounds good. Blackpowder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigchap Posted February 24, 2011 Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 yep,all the fine shot is removed.the cap is then put back in to hold it all in place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy H Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 (edited) keyboard dyslexia Edited February 25, 2011 by Andy H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy H Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 They are still made by fiocchi or RWS but not really available in the uk . http://www.supra.cz/hledej.html?co=FLOBERT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave 101 Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 I hope you guys know what you are doing and whether its legal , is it shotgun shot , ie number of balls in a case etc . or does it become single shot and FAC rated . Take care . Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackpowder Posted February 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 I hope you guys know what you are doing and whether its legal , is it shotgun shot , ie number of balls in a case etc . or does it become single shot and FAC rated . Take care . Dave Good point Dave, my 3bore long since went to the scrap heap in the sky. Blackpowder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackpowder Posted February 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 They are still made by fiocchi or RWS but not really available in the uk . http://www.supra.cz/hledej.html?co=FLOBERT Very interersting to see these are still manufactured. Now has anyone got these on a fac and have they shot them, if so what result. Blackpowder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon123 Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 I can buy them 9mm Fiocchi shots form my local RFD. I dont see them as beeing that good though as i was out shooting bottles with it yesterday, I was about 15 yards away and it hardly harming the bottle. i've just reloaded some 9mm cartridges with sg out of a 12g cartridge,you can get 5 of them in and it turns them into a very good rabbit cartridge. That's acctually a very good idea, must be quite expensive to do though. How do you do it??? Can you use the used shells then??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 When we were boys in the 1950's we used to replace the shot with fishing ledger weights, the torpedo shaped ones. To us boys they went like hell and would go right through our target at the bottom of the garden. oh those were the days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 I think the tern "reloading" may be a bit missleading,simon123,as far as i,m aware the only reason for removing the over shot wad is to change the shot size-most 9mm shells are loaded with dust shot as they were originally designed for shooting small birs/mammels without too much damage to the animal or its surroundings.I used to reload mine with no.6 shot for ratting at close range-armed with a semi-auto Benneli,maglite strapped underneath and a laser sight on top we used to have major fun-not cheap though!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigchap Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 i agree that i used the wrong terminology,it does tend to be a little expensive but i had a lot of 12g cartridges laying about so i gave it a try.the standard 9mm are only good for about 15 yards when ratting but with the larger shot all is good out to 25 yards.they are also good for close range(20 yards)rabbiting out of the car window.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highseas Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 I can buy them 9mm Fiocchi shots form my local RFD. I dont see them as beeing that good though as i was out shooting bottles with it yesterday, I was about 15 yards away and it hardly harming the bottle. That's acctually a very good idea, must be quite expensive to do though. How do you do it??? Can you use the used shells then??? if you take a 410 cart pull the paper over shot card out but leave the rolled turnover crimp in place pour out the shot and push 3 sg shot in they fit fine! and the grouping was pretty darn good too BUT i dont know if its safe to do so ive done it a few times on paper targets but thats me and if you damage your gun/yourself its on your own head Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxbasher Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 (edited) not a good idea. a shotgun cart must have at least 5 pellets in it to be compatible with your SGC. may get you in the poop. Edited February 27, 2011 by foxbasher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highseas Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 nope its 3 or more ..phone your fao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HW682 Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 nope its 3 or more ..phone your fao Section 1 of 1968 Firearms act.. (4)This section applies to any ammunition for a firearm, except the following articles, namely:—.(a)cartridges containing five or more shot, none of which exceeds ·36 inch in diameter;. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highseas Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 Section 1 of 1968 Firearms act.. ahh well ive been buying rong uns for years then... i wont tell if you dont bloody silly laws Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackpowder Posted March 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 Thanks for all the replies , obviusly some interesting ballistic experiments take place in theis calibre past and present. Blackpowder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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