al4x Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 and that is your problem, not enough energy transfer. Vmax don't tend to exit foxes so they take the full power, the 20grains leave a small wound channel and exit without enough damage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blindeye Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 (edited) what a load of **** i have been reading anyone with any sense and respects the animals will use a correct calibre for the correct job , 17 hmr is no way a fox calibre no matter if you have shot one in the head at 160 yards , you wouldnt use a 22lr on deer would you ? as after all it has a 40gn head with a range of 75 yards . apply for the right calibre for the correct job and stop being so stupid .no feo would grant a 17 hmr for fox . Edited March 9, 2011 by blindeye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 quit the rant they do, but they expect you to use it appropriately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verminator 66 Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 what a load of **** i have been reading anyone with any sense and respects the animals will use a correct calibre for the correct job , 17 hmr is no way a fox calibre no matter if you have shot one in the head at 160 yards , you wouldnt use a 22lr on deer would you ? as after all it has a 40gn head with a range of 75 yards . apply for the right calibre for the correct job and stop being so stupid .no feo would grant a 17 hmr for fox . well get on to them as they do they won't down here now but did at one point for close range fox you are right in a way with what you say but a well placed Hmr round is better than the way some do it with a bloody shot gun sorry but that was my point with my FEO and you can't always use a C/F Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 whats wrong with a shotgun think I've just passed my total with a shotgun with a rifle but if you apply the same criteria of sensible range they are very humane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verminator 66 Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 yes I use sg or what ever they are called bloody big stuff but some shoot them with standard shell's and two far away at that like you said horses for courses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blindeye Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 well get on to them as they do they won't down here now but did at one point for close range fox you are right in a way with what you say but a well placed Hmr round is better than the way some do it with a bloody shot gun sorry but that was my point with my FEO and you can't always use a C/F why not as after all the calibre has been approved for the application. i agree not every one can be granted a c,f for there permissions ,that doent give you the right to main or wound animals at stupid ranges with small calibres .maybe once they did allow 17 hmr fox ? but why would you apply to shoot a close range fox as before apply for the correct calibre . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reegy Posted March 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 what a load of **** i have been reading anyone with any sense and respects the animals will use a correct calibre for the correct job , 17 hmr is no way a fox calibre no matter if you have shot one in the head at 160 yards , you wouldnt use a 22lr on deer would you ? as after all it has a 40gn head with a range of 75 yards . apply for the right calibre for the correct job and stop being so stupid .no feo would grant a 17 hmr for fox . So you say no feo would grant hmr on foxes i have on mine,as i said in my post it was around 160 yards i had no range finder to be exact....Oh i do have sense and respect for my quarry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackley Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 as i said in my post it was around 160 yards i had no range finder to be exact....Oh i do have sense and respect for my quarry obviouly not,guesing the range at night and using a caliber not suitable for the distance your shooting at, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyb Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 (edited) Is that to the Sense or respect part Ackley? Edited March 9, 2011 by garyb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackley Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 Is that to the Sense or respect park Ackley? what do your think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reegy Posted March 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 what do your think At least i can spell!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyb Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 At least i can spell!! I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verminator 66 Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 why not as after all the calibre has been approved for the application. i agree not every one can be granted a c,f for there permissions ,that doent give you the right to main or wound animals at stupid ranges with small calibres .maybe once they did allow 17 hmr fox ? but why would you apply to shoot a close range fox as before apply for the correct calibre . were you of with this bute never said anything about to wound animals at stupid ranges I said close range on fox 223 243 for nice long shots do the job or even better I find the nice little 204 or is that to small as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 I find the nice little 204 or is that to small as well Hmmm, 17HMR @ 200yds = 70 ft/lbs .204 @ 200yds = 700 ft/lbs Which one is suitable for fox ? I'll go for the .204. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blindeye Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 were you of with this bute never said anything about to wound animals at stupid ranges I said close range on fox 223 243 for nice long shots do the job or even better I find the nice little 204 or is that to small as well so your telling me a fox shot with a 17 hmr at 160 yards is ok with you ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verminator 66 Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 so your telling me a fox shot with a 17 hmr at 160 yards is ok with you ? I didn't say 160 thats C/F up to 120 close range after that I find that over that the shots will start to open up unless you can get good groups at that sort of distance with your kit but some will say they can hit a 1/2" group at 150 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 MY BLOODY HEAD HURTS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blindeye Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 I didn't say 160 thats C/F up to 120 close range after that I find that over that the shots will start to open up unless you can get good groups at that sort of distance with your kit but some will say they can hit a 1/2" group at 150 its not about if the round will get that far its about the energy it carrys when it hits the target and in no way is a 20gn bullet at 160 yards has enough energy to kill cleanly unless you get a lucky shot . but this is my view on the matter and many will agree too . and my head hurts too GRAM71 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackley Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 At least i can spell!! LOL is that the best you can come back with,at least i know whats right and what wrong when shooting live animals,Iam sure Mr Fox dont care if I can spell wounded correctly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 people are too busy thinking "whether they could", what they should be thinking is "whether they should". the hmr is a great little tool but it's not the god almighty all rounder that some people think it is. If it was so great then why do so many FLDs around the country not let hmr be conditioned for fox? Reegy, this is not a personal dig at you, you did what you thought to be right and to be fair you did well and bagged the fox, well done to you sir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reegy Posted March 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 LOL is that the best you can come back with,at least i know whats right and what wrong when shooting live animals,Iam sure Mr Fox dont care if I can spell wounded correctly Ok mr know it all what am i meant to say then?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verminator 66 Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 its not about if the round will get that far its about the energy it carrys when it hits the target and in no way is a 20gn bullet at 160 yards has enough energy to kill cleanly unless you get a lucky shot . but this is my view on the matter and many will agree too . and my head hurts too GRAM71 how much energy do you think it will take to kill a fox at that distance I have blown the back of a rabbits head away at 220yards with a 17gn v-max It only takes something like 6FT/LB of energy to kill a fox with a head shot so think the power of a HMR would do it no prob but not going in to this any more to much head work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackley Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 Ok mr know it all what am i meant to say then?? you havnt got to say anyhting,just learn from people who have a little more experience than your good self Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blindeye Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 how much energy do you think it will take to kill a fox at that distance I have blown the back of a rabbits head away at 220yards with a 17gn v-max It only takes something like 6FT/LB of energy to kill a fox with a head shot so think the power of a HMR would do it no prob but not going in to this any more to much head work thanks for the lesson on how balistics work . off to shot boar with my 22lr now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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