Beardo Posted April 17, 2011 Report Share Posted April 17, 2011 Do not buy this style of 17 boresnake, they are useless - the cord that connects to the weight is too fat and the weight too light to drop through the barrel. Stick to a real Hoppe's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beretta28g Posted April 17, 2011 Report Share Posted April 17, 2011 **** i bought one today at the game fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silpig5 Posted April 17, 2011 Report Share Posted April 17, 2011 your dead right nick , mine is slung at the back of the cubord ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark@mbb Posted April 17, 2011 Report Share Posted April 17, 2011 I found the bore snake snapped of in my 17 rem i now use a cleaning rod i find it a lot less trouble Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted April 17, 2011 Report Share Posted April 17, 2011 oops! had a little accident? seriously tho, thanks for the heads up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bewsher500 Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 any use for a .22 or bigger? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyb Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 Can I go one step further and say.. Buy a decent cleaning rod brushes and patches. Boresnakes are for airguns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 I found the bore snake snapped of in my 17 rem i now use a cleaning rod i find it a lot less trouble I heard a first hand true story of a bore snake that got stuck and snapped off inside a barrel. All sensible efforts to get it out just compacted it even more, they had to resort to drilling it out in the end They are a great tool for a quick pull through but if you think you are cleaning your barrel properly with them you are deluding yourself. Having seen Nicks '17 boresnake' I reckon it would be good for anything up to 50 cal and beyond Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 I heard a first hand true story of a bore snake that got stuck and snapped off inside a barrel. All sensible efforts to get it out just compacted it even more, they had to resort to drilling it out in the end the odd bit about this with the hoppes ones is if the cord were to break you should still have the majorly thick cord still hanging out the other end so should be retrievable. I have to say I do use them my shotgun one seems to do a great job so easy that you do actually use it each time out. The rifle ones ok for a quick clean and if you want to oil it after its been wet but won't replace the rods just mean you don't have to use them quite as often Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 I whip a pull through through my .223 each time I fire it. As we were at the rage the other day I thought I had better give it a proper clean with jags and Bore Shine. The first one almost wouldn't go through I had to thump the end of the rod just to get it to clear the crud out the rifling. After that it was fine, but I was amazed at how much had built up in only about 30 shots or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 (edited) Can I go one step further and say.. Buy a decent cleaning rod brushes and patches. Boresnakes are for airguns. Not at all.. use a bore snake in my 6.5x55 T3 & .308 TRG before and after shooting. The T3 gets thoroughly cleaned once a year and the TRG every 200 rounds, so about once a month. As far as I'm concerned and from the silly amount of stuff I've read up on this subject. Cleaning everytime with brushes and (especially) aggressive copper solvents, seriously speeds up barrel wear and means you have to put foulers through to bring it back to consistency, increasing wear even more. The current thinking, even with the US F-TR Class world cup winners and record holders is now 100-200 rounds between cleans rather than the old school 20 or everytime it was shot! Mine are spot on out of the case, cold barrel with no need for foulers... especially important when I'm stalking. Edited April 18, 2011 by Vipa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardo Posted April 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 i agree a proper rod is what you need for deep cleaning - but i only do that every so often - but the boresnake gets used everytime i shoot (i'd lost my proper Hoppes one in the house move, and that useless one was all they had in Park Street Guns). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardo Posted April 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 it got taken straight back to the shop and i ordered a Hoppes one online btw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellebarto Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 Can I go one step further and say.. Buy a decent cleaning rod brushes and patches. Boresnakes are for airguns. lol. Rubbish! I really don't see how a proper bore snake with brass jags cleans any worse than a rod. If anything you get more consistent contact and because its less hassle you can pull it through more times and more often than a full clean. OK, slight chance of it breaking but if you buy a good snake you should be fine. I always think this is just old school shooters (no offence to old school shooters ) on the basis if its quick and easy it must be rubbish. I dont really agree with that at all. In particular my shotguns seems much better having pulled a good bore snake through half a dozen times. Sits back and waits for flak!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katzenjammer Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 Boresnake?!? Doesn't everyone swab out with a sponge and water after each shot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyb Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 (edited) lol. Rubbish! I really don't see how a proper bore snake with brass jags cleans any worse than a rod. If anything you get more consistent contact and because its less hassle you can pull it through more times and more often than a full clean. OK, slight chance of it breaking but if you buy a good snake you should be fine. I always think this is just old school shooters (no offence to old school shooters ) on the basis if its quick and easy it must be rubbish. I dont really agree with that at all. In particular my shotguns seems much better having pulled a good bore snake through half a dozen times. Sits back and waits for flak!! Not rubbish at all. How can you expect a boresnake to remove copper fouling then? I'm all ears? Edited April 19, 2011 by garyb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 (edited) Not rubbish at all. How can you expect a boresnake to remove copper fouling then? I'm all ears? Nothing stopping you using solvents with a boresnake.... a cleaning rod and brushes alone won't remove copper fouling without the solvents! What BS are good at is removing particulates from the bore before and after shooting (particularly before.... the damage a grain of sand can do being forced up the barrel by a bullet is amazing!) and they remove the bulk of any carbon deposits which is far more damaging than copper. Copper, in fact, isn't a problem at all unless it builds up to the point of changing the dimensions of the bore, particularly in an uneven manner. Under normal circumstances, a little bit of copper fouling actually acts as a bore protector, putting something between the bullet & powder and the bare metal... imagine completely stripping the oil off the pistons in your engine before each thrust! Think about it... when you clean and strip a barrel back to bare metal it is not consistently accurate... you have to put a layer of copper down with foulers to bring the accuracy back. Copper is benign when in contact with the metal so why on earth bother to get rid of it when, all you are going to need to do is put more copper down there to bring the rifle back to shooting straight.... the best thing to do is leave the copper in there and get rid of it when/if it starts affecting accuracy at the other end but you will find this will only start to happen after many hundreds of rounds. The important thing to get rid of is anything that could be potentially corrosive or cause pitting..... Carbon! Bore snakes are great at getting rid of that.. Leave the copper in there, it's doing more good than bad most of the time... even the americans have cottoned on to this and world champs no longer clean every 5 mins! Edited April 19, 2011 by Vipa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 Not rubbish at all. How can you expect a boresnake to remove copper fouling then? I'm all ears? I agree with garyb here, run your bore snake through a rifle barrel and then run it through it with jags and see how more comes out. I know how much more, because I did it last week, as I said elsewhere the rod had to be hammered through on the first pass. No one is saying you need to clean a rifle barrel that much, just that the only way to get it that clean is with a rod and jags, a snake won't do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellebarto Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 I must have a magic bore snake!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 My boresnake gets used before and after every shoot, whether it be rifle or shotgun and does a stirling job of removing particulates and carbon.. When it comes to a complete clean though, I do use rods and patches, along with my DeWalt cordless drill for my shotgun!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyb Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 The other thing to remember is with a boresnake you are effectively running a dirty patch through the bore each time... Which kind of defeats the object does it not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 (edited) If you look through the barrel prior to and after using a snake you see they do remove a lot of general by products of combustion which to me is a good thing, copper is different but you need solvent to remove it if you apply the solvent then use the snake you would be surprised what comes out. I'm sure some depends on the quality of the snake and its not for a proper clean then you need rods but for something for day to day use they are pretty good. GB depends if you wash them in between which is perfectly possible shotgun wise I don't use anything else now as a quick squirt and pull through and it looks sparklingly clean. More to the point as it takes seconds it actually gets done each time out Edited April 19, 2011 by al4x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyb Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 Washing a boresnake inbetween pulls? Madness.. Rod, boreguide and patches for me ta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellebarto Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 I'm not sure I really agree. My snake has a section of jag that's larger than the jag on my rod and I was my boresnake in the washer inside an old sock once a week. When I use my snake I pull it through each barrel 3 times and I can't see any difference from rodding it on .22, .17 or my shotguns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 when did you last bother cleaning your though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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