fortune82 Posted April 26, 2011 Report Share Posted April 26, 2011 (edited) On my usual dog walking route I often come across a bloke walking a Rottweiler. The dog often growls and barks when we pass and literally pull the bloke along the road. I have said to the bloke he needs to get the dog under control as he clearly has little over it. He doesnt seem overly bothered however. If the worst did come to the worst and the dog attacked either my dog or myself is there anything I could do to fend off the attack or are these animals so powerful resistance is futile? Could I report the bloke at present for not being in control of what is potentially a deadly animal? I can do without the usual "any dog can be dangerous ****". I would rather take my chances with a Cocker, Springer, Lab etc than a Rotty, Akita, Pit Bull etc etc. Edited April 27, 2011 by fortune82 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
low flyer Posted April 26, 2011 Report Share Posted April 26, 2011 Hi if the dog only attacked your dog its adog on dog attack nothing can be done silly law in my opinion however if the dog attacked you that is assault by animal then you can get a charge against the owner and dog like can't leave the house without a mussel etc. Hope this helps hope you and dog are ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune82 Posted April 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2011 Hi if the dog only attacked your dog its adog on dog attack nothing can be done silly law in my opinion however if the dog attacked you that is assault by animal then you can get a charge against the owner and dog like can't leave the house without a mussel etc. Hope this helps hope you and dog are ok What a stupid law. If my dog was attacked by this animal its days will be numbered one way or another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted April 27, 2011 Report Share Posted April 27, 2011 are you sure its aggresion dog to dog, not pure over exitement or even protecting the owner from your dog ( most likely if yours is off lead his is on). Don't judge a dog mearly by its breed, i have been bitten by three jack russels, one border collie and one boxer. though i apriciate what your saying big dogs like this do require special care on the part of the owner and too many idiots take pride in thier dogs being "hard and tough" but at the end of the day it just shows there owner to be an insecure wimp. Nothing can be done about a dog barking at yours or pulling on the leash, other than politely suggesting the owners seeks profesional help with his dogs issues - acting aggresively or angrily towards him might be a bad move under the circumstanes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosd Posted April 27, 2011 Report Share Posted April 27, 2011 (edited) Sounds to me like little man syndrome! Coming on a public forum and talking about putting 42g of BB into a dogs head is not the wisest thing to do. The fact is the dog hasn't attacked you or your dog, yet you're planning on what to do "just in case" and even seeking advice. The dog is being walked on a lead, if you see it cross the road!!! I'm guessing the gun you plan to use in the event of an attack is licensed and you are in fact a certificate owner, my advise would be to act like a responsible person as was presumed when you were granted your SGC. Edited April 27, 2011 by Cosd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted April 27, 2011 Report Share Posted April 27, 2011 The owner doesn't have control of the dog, even if it is on a lead, as the dog is dictating behaviour instead of taking his cue from the owner. It's an incident waiting to happen. A powerful dog needs lots of socialisation and reassurance from an early age, I don't know how to do this with an older dog but I'm guessing that walking it close to one dog until it calms down and feels secure would be a start, then expanding the group of friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune82 Posted April 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2011 Sounds to me like little man syndrome! Coming on a public forum and talking about putting 42g of BB into a dogs head is not the wisest thing to do. The fact is the dog hasn't attacked you or your dog, yet you're planning on what to do "just in case" and even seeking advice. The dog is being walked on a lead, if you see it cross the road!!! I'm guessing the gun you plan to use in the event of an attack is licensed and you are in fact a certificate owner, my advise would be to act like a responsible person as was presumed when you were granted your SGC. How upstanding of you. When a dog which probably weighs 9 stone drags a fuly grown man across the road towards you whilst growling, barking and foaming at the mouth I believe it is a good idea to seek advice on the situation should anything arise in the future. Let me guess...you have four Rottweillers and would trust them with a new born baby an day? As far as I'm concerned this dog is a danger and is uncontrolled as soon as it sees me. If such a dog was to set about me or my dog I would not care if what I did was illegal to be honest. As for small man syndrome, the only people displaying that are the cretans who feel the need to own dogs bred for fighting or defence, time bombs waiting to kill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted April 27, 2011 Report Share Posted April 27, 2011 (edited) dogs can be funny on the lead if they sense aggression from another dog, my gwp can be a complete tool if it get the wrong vibes and she will look very aggressive. Let her off and it stops straight away whether its protecting me or gaining confidence form the lead I'm not sure but she is one of the most socialised dogs I know and never starts anything with other dogs. In this case you're judging it by the breed, its on a lead I can't see the issue really. It makes a noise at other dogs on the lead it can happen personally i'd say hello to the bloke ask whether its ok and go from there, be friendly. Usually with mine once you reach that point you let them both off and they play job done. Obviously you are scared of it but try to overcome it dogs really play up to it Edited April 27, 2011 by al4x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune82 Posted April 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2011 are you sure its aggresion dog to dog, not pure over exitement or even protecting the owner from your dog ( most likely if yours is off lead his is on). Don't judge a dog mearly by its breed, i have been bitten by three jack russels, one border collie and one boxer. though i apriciate what your saying big dogs like this do require special care on the part of the owner and too many idiots take pride in thier dogs being "hard and tough" but at the end of the day it just shows there owner to be an insecure wimp. Nothing can be done about a dog barking at yours or pulling on the leash, other than politely suggesting the owners seeks profesional help with his dogs issues - acting aggresively or angrily towards him might be a bad move under the circumstanes I had considered that. I think it is real aggression as it is growling, barking and foaming! The worrying thing is the bloke has it on an extendable lead which looks prety flimsy to me. I am asking on here because I am actually concerned the lead will break one of these days then the dog has a free run at us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie10 Posted April 27, 2011 Report Share Posted April 27, 2011 The owner doesn't have control of the dog, even if it is on a lead, as the dog is dictating behaviour instead of taking his cue from the owner. It's an incident waiting to happen. A powerful dog needs lots of socialisation and reassurance from an early age, I don't know how to do this with an older dog but I'm guessing that walking it close to one dog until it calms down and feels secure would be a start, then expanding the group of friends. Not sure what you mean about 'reassurance', I can just picture women with their dogs saying 'it's all right' and picking them up Let the dogs meet each other and don't be al uptight when it happens. Once they have got over meeting and not beening strained on the leash things will improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosd Posted April 27, 2011 Report Share Posted April 27, 2011 (edited) How upstanding of you. When a dog which probably weighs 9 stone drags a fuly grown man across the road towards you whilst growling, barking and foaming at the mouth I believe it is a good idea to seek advice on the situation should anything arise in the future. Let me guess...you have four Rottweillers and would trust them with a new born baby an day? As far as I'm concerned this dog is a danger and is uncontrolled as soon as it sees me. If such a dog was to set about me or my dog I would not care if what I did was illegal to be honest. As for small man syndrome, the only people displaying that are the cretans who feel the need to own dogs bred for fighting or defence, time bombs waiting to kill. So anyone owning large breed of dogs are "cretins" :blink: Mate, you really have a chip on your shoulder! "this dog is a danger and is uncontrolled as soon as it sees me" I'm no dog whisperer but my guess is this dog doesn't go to sleep at night thinking about finding you the next morning. For your information I don't have any dog/s, but I have owned large dogs and did also come across narrow minded people like yourself. I've had two Dobermans and a cross Rottweiler Bull Mastiff, they didn't attack anyone and nor did they eat any of my kids......I think Edited April 27, 2011 by Cosd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted April 27, 2011 Report Share Posted April 27, 2011 Not sure what you mean about 'reassurance', I can just picture women with their dogs saying 'it's all right' and picking them up Let the dogs meet each other and don't be al uptight when it happens. Once they have got over meeting and not beening strained on the leash things will improve. Dogs can act aggressively because they feel threatened by other dogs, if you reassure them when they are puppies it will help. I took both mine to socialisation classes at the local vets, where they got to meet many different breeds at different ages, and learned to play with strange dogs in a safe environment. As a result they are happy to sniff and greet all sorts of dogs and don't feel threatened, if a strange dog barks at them they ignore it. The only exception is that the bitch will sometimes see off other dogs when she's in season, but it's never a problem, she will chase them off for 15 yards then return to my side, I try to keep her on the lead when other dogs are about but sometimes one will appear over the fields a long way from the owner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune82 Posted April 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2011 So anyone owning large breed of dogs are "cretins" :blink: Mate, you really have a chip on your shoulder! "this dog is a danger and is uncontrolled as soon as it sees me" I'm no dog whisperer but my guess is this dog doesn't go to sleep at night thinking about finding you the next morning. For your information I don't have any dog/s, but I have owned large dogs and did also come across narrow minded people like yourself. Well well you clearly have something to prove. I simply started this thread asking if their was anything I could do to protect myself from a large and, I believe, aggressive dog should the worst happen. All of a sudden you come along blabbing away the usual **** we hear when large breeds are involved. Low and behold you've owned large breeds in the past so obviously you give a completely unbiased appraisal of the situation. I often find people who have large breeds have a bit of a knee jerk tendancy as sson as anyone merely suggests a large dog might be aggressive or uncontrolled. Next time I see the dog I think I will walk over to the growling frothing mess and calmly pat it on the head. If it decides to attack me I can live safe in the knowledge that "any dog can be dangerous". As for the cretan comment, I am not tarring all large dog owners with the same brush but a lot of the people I see with these animals are exactly that, wanting the animal for nothing more than a status symbol which is exactly what has happened in this case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosd Posted April 27, 2011 Report Share Posted April 27, 2011 Well well you clearly have something to prove. I simply started this thread asking if their was anything I could do to protect myself from a large and, I believe, aggressive dog should the worst happen. All of a sudden you come along blabbing away the usual **** we hear when large breeds are involved. Low and behold you've owned large breeds in the past so obviously you give a completely unbiased appraisal of the situation. I often find people who have large breeds have a bit of a knee jerk tendancy as sson as anyone merely suggests a large dog might be aggressive or uncontrolled. Next time I see the dog I think I will walk over to the growling frothing mess and calmly pat it on the head. If it decides to attack me I can live safe in the knowledge that "any dog can be dangerous". As for the cretan comment, I am not tarring all large dog owners with the same brush but a lot of the people I see with these animals are exactly that, wanting the animal for nothing more than a status symbol which is exactly what has happened in this case. You need to read my initial response again, my advice was that of you planning to shoot a dog in the head. Had nothing to do with my affection for "killer dogs" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune82 Posted April 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2011 You need to read my initial response again, my advice was that of you planning to shoot a dog in the head. Had nothing to do with my affection for "killer dogs" I think you need to lighten up a bit. Do you honestly think I am going to carry a shotgun with me when walking my dog and then shoot someone elses dog? Have you heard of the phrase tounge in cheek? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted April 27, 2011 Report Share Posted April 27, 2011 I think you need to lighten up a bit. Do you honestly think I am going to carry a shotgun with me when walking my dog and then shoot someone elses dog? Have you heard of the phrase tounge in cheek? yes i know what you mean but the courts and firearms licencing depts don't seem to have as i know three people who lost thier guns over such remarks. remember that such remarks do our sport harm, especially on a forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorfolkPoacher Posted April 27, 2011 Report Share Posted April 27, 2011 @fortune82, as a Rottweiler owner I agree with you and it sounds like an accident waiting to happen. Dogs should not be brought out into public unless they can behave and be totally controlled and restrained. It seems like a severe case of bad training and a lack of discipline. If people even consider owning Rottweiler’s they should fist and foremost accept that the dog they have chosen could be problematic and potentially lethal unless properly trained/ socialised. My dogs will look after my house, yard and family with deadly force if necessary, but when its not necessary they should be calm and confident and interact with who or whatever accordingly. I would inform the police and if enough people do so, the court can enforce a dangerous dog order which stated earlier forces the owner to muzzle the dog in public. If only all dog owners had common sense . However as a last resort carry a small squirty container with a nasty highly irritating liquid in, it may sound extreme but if your in fear of your well-being a spray of something to the dogs face will buy you some time. good luck, Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WGD Posted April 27, 2011 Report Share Posted April 27, 2011 However as a last resort carry a small squirty container with a nasty highly irritating liquid in, it may sound extreme but if your in fear of your well-being a spray of something to the dogs face will buy you some time. good luck, Dave At last an answer the question that was asked If you don't have such a liquid and you are attacked, go for eyes and genitals... doesn't just apply to dogs mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted April 27, 2011 Report Share Posted April 27, 2011 odds are if you stand your ground and move towards it then it will back down. Smaller dogs you can scruff all depends what your dog is doing in the meantime and whether its looking to join in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J@mes Posted April 27, 2011 Report Share Posted April 27, 2011 Walk a different route? I know you shouldn't have to, but surely this is easier than shooting/battering/poisoning someone elses dog if it should ever attack? My lab barks at the bloke next door, really deep bark and growling, sounds very aggressive. As soon as he puts his arm through the trellis on the fence, she goes over for a tickle/ tummy rub. 5 minutes later, she's barking again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WGD Posted April 27, 2011 Report Share Posted April 27, 2011 odds are if you stand your ground and move towards it then it will back down. Odd are if its a 12 stone snarling rotty you'll have cacked yourself long before its backed down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted April 27, 2011 Report Share Posted April 27, 2011 Odd are if its a 12 stone snarling rotty you'll have cacked yourself long before its backed down and there is the problem dogs know when you're cacking it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted April 27, 2011 Report Share Posted April 27, 2011 odds are if you stand your ground and move towards it then it will back down. That rather depends on the dog, a poorly trained or badly socialised guard breed will attack you if it thinks you mean harm to it or its owner. They're bred for it over generations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted April 27, 2011 Report Share Posted April 27, 2011 I agree with the other poster who said you should change your route. If you can't see why you should, then you are accepting that a problem could well happen. I own two large Akitas and avoid areas where one of them has been attacked. I think it has been attacked by smaller dogs about 7 or 8 times. All but once in the area I live. I am in no danger, my dogs are in no danger. I just prefer to avoid the hassle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted April 27, 2011 Report Share Posted April 27, 2011 odds are if you stand your ground and move towards it then it will back down. Smaller dogs you can scruff all depends what your dog is doing in the meantime and whether its looking to join in. totally depends on what type of aggresion its showing and i should rather stand perfectly still rather than move towards it personally til i was sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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