rcooke25552 Posted May 25, 2011 Report Share Posted May 25, 2011 I know you get them, but do you get working chocolate labradors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pavman Posted May 25, 2011 Report Share Posted May 25, 2011 I know you get them, but do you get working chocolate labradors the short answer is No Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcooke25552 Posted May 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2011 Any particular reason why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted May 25, 2011 Report Share Posted May 25, 2011 apart from them usually being lacking in the intelligence stakes, overweight and mostly from show stock rather than working Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcooke25552 Posted May 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2011 This is like dog racism lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seamus Posted May 25, 2011 Report Share Posted May 25, 2011 I have a chocolate lab that is currently being trained with these people. I won't go into the reasons why I've got a chocolate one, but so far she is coming along "OK". She walks to heal, stays very well, retrieves extremely well (land and water) and after quite a slog we've just about managed to get her to stop on the whistle. She is from working stock and came from here (Sire was "Casper"). It has however, taken a long time and lot of hard work to get her to this standard and she still has a long way to go. I don't think she'd ever make a peg dog, but for walked up and rough shooting she'll be good enough. From what I am learning (and I am new to dog training), it does seem that chocolate labs **tend** to need a lot more work and learn slower, but there is no reason why she won't make a good dog. I guess most people don't want to or have the time to put in (along with the usual preconceptions on their working ability or lack of). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted May 25, 2011 Report Share Posted May 25, 2011 Sorry but a colour gene alone cannot effect a dogs ability to work regardless were it origonated from. i have know two great chocs personally. also consider how many great work lines have had a little show blood mixed in at some time, maybee as an outcross, its also a good colour for blending in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcooke25552 Posted May 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2011 Only reason I ask is when I am looking for a lab early next year and wondered whether chocolate ones are available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlistairB Posted May 25, 2011 Report Share Posted May 25, 2011 We've got a couple on our shoot, and they work fine. AB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marlin vs Posted May 25, 2011 Report Share Posted May 25, 2011 The will work the same as the rest of them,people want chocolate one's just to be different.Personnally myself I like the black ones especially as I do a lot of night flighting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcooke25552 Posted May 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2011 Anyone planning to breed any to be ready around march?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyb Posted May 25, 2011 Report Share Posted May 25, 2011 Save yourself the hassle, I've never seen a good one in the shooting field. I do know of several that are good at eating chips and sleeping in pubs though :yp: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted May 25, 2011 Report Share Posted May 25, 2011 (edited) thats more than i've seen on shooting fields never seen one, but I do beat on ones with some very good picker uppers so that may explain it. I have to say if you had one it would need to be very good so you didn't just have the urine extracted all the time, keepers are bad enough with fat labs let alone fat and chocolate Edited May 25, 2011 by al4x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pavman Posted May 25, 2011 Report Share Posted May 25, 2011 Save yourself the hassle, I've never seen a good one in the shooting field. I do know of several that are good at eating chips and sleeping in pubs though :yp: On balance a point well made Labrador Retrievers are registered in three colours: black (a solid black colour), yellow (anything from light cream to "fox-red"), and chocolate (medium to dark brown). the chocolate labrador is not generally used as a working dog being fat and lazy a bit like a Scouser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcooke25552 Posted May 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2011 I that what Wikipedia says. Fat and lazy like a scouser lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J@mes Posted May 25, 2011 Report Share Posted May 25, 2011 We have 9 labradors in our family, all from the same line in one way or another. The three brown ones are considerably more stupid than the others which are yellow, black and ginger. Chunkier too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bi9johnny Posted May 25, 2011 Report Share Posted May 25, 2011 the short answer is No and the correct answer will be yes and every shade between yellow brown and fox red just ask john halstead and if he's on a day when he's not allowed to talk ask his mrs sandra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcooke25552 Posted May 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2011 Who's this John guy? Am I missing something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bi9johnny Posted May 25, 2011 Report Share Posted May 25, 2011 (edited) Who's this John guy? Am I missing something? you never heard of john and sandra halstead ....just google it will ya drakeshead gundogs mate Edited May 25, 2011 by bi9johnny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pheasant Feeder Posted May 25, 2011 Report Share Posted May 25, 2011 I must admit I've never seen one work well in the shooting field, but thats not to say that they don't exist. I did read an article by a proffesional trainer a couple of years ago in which he wrote that a chocolate labrador with a yellow eye should be avoided, apparently they are nuts. Given that chocolates would blend in better due to colour, why dont we see more of them working? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted May 25, 2011 Report Share Posted May 25, 2011 you never heard of john and sandra halstead ....just google it will ya drakeshead gundogs mate whats he got to do with chocolate labs though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bi9johnny Posted May 25, 2011 Report Share Posted May 25, 2011 whats he got to do with chocolate labs though? one of the best known lab trailers in uk and i have seen him and his lad with chocs working brill mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted May 25, 2011 Report Share Posted May 25, 2011 ah ok, just looked at his stud dogs, list of puppies etc and no chocolates anywhere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlander Posted May 25, 2011 Report Share Posted May 25, 2011 Chocolate Labs have a reputation for being particularily stoopid and slow off the mark. Most serious trainers of working gundogs wouldn’t waste their time on chocolates. Yes they can be trained (as can almost any dog) but to what standard. John Halstead may well have trained chocolates as part of his business but I doubt and would be very surprised to learn that he’s ever owned one for the reason above. The recessive gene that’s responsible for the chocolate colour is also responsible for the fact that they don’t have much between the ears! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bi9johnny Posted May 26, 2011 Report Share Posted May 26, 2011 i think this is one of them things thats a personal preference ..me personaly i have only ever had one choc in dozens of blacks but never owned a yellow and would never count out another chocolate as has been said most dogs can be trained but to what standard......funny thing is i have never fancied a fox red one either as it just doesn't look right in my eyes...realy think it's the breeding that's important and not the paperwork unless you are competing....someone on here had yellow labs for sale with no papers and if i was to be in the market for one i would have jumped at it,, all personal preference regards john Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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