wymberley Posted June 29, 2011 Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 (edited) Don't know what the LAG will make of this: Have a shufti at the current Sporting Gun "Letters" page and the "star letter" in particular. For members who don't have the mag', it seems that if you eat game shot with steel and ingest the odd one as you do and then be unfortunate enough to need an MRI scan, well, you could be in trouble. Am I right in thinking the "M" in MRI stands for magnetic? If so, it makes sense. SPEND WELL - BUY LEAD SHOOT WELL - FIRE LEAD STAY WELL - EAT LEAD Edit: Don't think it'll be long now! Edited June 29, 2011 by wymberley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted June 29, 2011 Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 would the same apply to metal detectors in airports? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardo Posted June 29, 2011 Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 related link: http://www.hps.org/publicinformation/ate/q2973.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pavman Posted June 29, 2011 Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 related link: http://www.hps.org/publicinformation/ate/q2973.html i bet most folk have a few bits inside them thats not on the Original parts list (especially them from Basildon) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted June 29, 2011 Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 would the same apply to metal detectors in airports? No, the danger is it will be attracted with great power to the MRI scanner super magnets! out of the body it goes - ping - ouch! and a big bill for the scanner!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted July 18, 2011 Report Share Posted July 18, 2011 I have a piece of metal dead center in my left eye only found when I first went to the opticians for reading glasses(presumed to be part of a steel drift used in the days before H&S and eye protection) I have had two mri scans knowing the metal was there ( had to have an eye specialist examine the eye first and checking that the piece of metal was stable, and that I was not likely to suffer eye damage as a result of the scan, then I had to sign to say I accepted the risk, I had no problems I was told it was not so much the chance of the object being pulled from the eye, but more the chance of the piece of metal heating up and damaging the eye that way? KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenhunter Posted July 18, 2011 Report Share Posted July 18, 2011 I would suggest that it would be best not to eat shot duck/goose within 48 hours of having a scan. Any ingested shot should have passed through by then I would have thought. I always have fun at airports. Particularly since they increased the sensitivity of the detectors. My replacement hip always triggers the alarm and I end up virtually naked with a worried looking queue behind me! Makes flying very exciting!! GH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted July 18, 2011 Report Share Posted July 18, 2011 (edited) As I have said before on this issue, given that in the USA they have been eating game / duck shot with steel for decades, and over here for at least 10 years in many places, if there really was a problem with steel shot and MRIs dont you think we would have heard about it by now? As kdubya sais, the only real risk tends to be if there are steel splinters in the eye when steel is subjected to a moving magnetic field an electrical current will be induced in the steel, which will heat up to some extent depending on the electrical resistance of the steel. There is info on this on the NHS and other web sites that give clear and unbiased comment on the risks associated with having bits of steel in your body. David Edited July 18, 2011 by David BASC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted July 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2011 Longer than I thought, just as well I didn't hold my breath. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 Longer than I thought, just as well I didn't hold my breath. wymberley, you seem to be in the "steel is evil" group. i seriously can understand that all shotgun development has lead in mind. i`ve shot many steel cartridges, some i will never shoot again, and some i just love to use. but i have my preferences of lead cartridges too. i handload various recipes, and only pick the recipes i`m happy with. of course there is a prformance limit, but that has been forced onto the manufacturers, by the governing powers. steel is different, thats it just different, not evil. i`ll continue to load and shoot and enjoy steel. afterall, i`m getting what i paid for ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 One of my colleagues who work in the publications team is off for an MRI scan this afternoon. Given the amount of dame and duck he eats he will almost certainly have more than his fair share of lead and steel shot in him. I will let you all know if he does not survive the scan… David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted July 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 (edited) wymberley, you seem to be in the "steel is evil" group. i seriously can understand that all shotgun development has lead in mind. i`ve shot many steel cartridges, some i will never shoot again, and some i just love to use. but i have my preferences of lead cartridges too. i handload various recipes, and only pick the recipes i`m happy with. of course there is a prformance limit, but that has been forced onto the manufacturers, by the governing powers. steel is different, thats it just different, not evil. i`ll continue to load and shoot and enjoy steel. afterall, i`m getting what i paid for ! Hello, mate. Not at all. Post #9 reflected that David and his stalwart back-up had read the OP shortly after it was posted and I was expecting David's response very quickly. This didn't happen. To be fair, with that coming out of the blue, a little reseach was probably necessary. It did not refer to the imminent advent of non toxic shot across the board. Give me a steel cartridge that I can use in my 1934 2 1/2" chambered barrels proofed at 1 1/8oz with a Guarantee that it will suffer no ill effect and the government will pay for the somewhat over 1/2 choke left hand barrel to be opened out a tad, then I may think about it - not for long but I promise I will consider it. After all, at the moment, I'm getting what I want. No, because of my age and David's assurances, by the time lead is banned I'll have gone full circle and reverted to my first love (any shotgun was too heavy at 6 YOA) and some gentle lakeside fly fishing. Cheers Edited July 20, 2011 by wymberley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 (edited) I didn't know there was a 'steel is evil' group. I'm in the 'steel is rubbish' group myself Edited July 20, 2011 by poontang Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaserF3 Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 I didn't know there was a 'steel is evil' group. I'm in the 'steel is *****' group myself Yes I'll second that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 Well, just got a call from my work mate - scan went fine, no harm from the steel shot etc in him... bet this wont make the 'star letter' in Sporting Gun D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted July 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 Well, just got a call from my work mate - scan went fine, no harm from the steel shot etc in him... bet this wont make the 'star letter' in Sporting Gun D No, probably not. It's pretty much generally known now that lengths BASC will go to in order to convince us that steel shot is the way ahead. Mind you, this was a bit over the top even for BASC, hope the guy is OK. Seriously, I know full well that it's hard work but I hope you still manage to enjoy the weekend. (Watch out for oscarsdad. Rain and cloud forcast for Saturday and Monday. If he gets wet he swells up and turns green, gets awful angry. You won't like him when he's angry and you promised him sunshine on Sunday) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 Well, just got a call from my work mate - scan went fine, no harm from the steel shot etc in him... bet this wont make the 'star letter' in Sporting Gun D Yes, that's the problem with steel shot.........it doesn't do enough harm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 Trust me, we still say lead is fine, and we will keep defending that position. But at the same time we will still keep giving guidance on the alternatives that some want or need to use. And just to confirm we have never said steel is better than lead, just that for some its one of the viable alternatives not least of all on price. But if, like me, you can use lead and can do so legally, then carry on if you want to and we will keep fighting for your freedom if choice. Having said that as I may have mentioned before, I have used steel on pigeon and pheasant with no oroblem. David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted July 21, 2011 Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 even if lead was banned, homeloading would increase. steel is usable. i bought some Ly Ex steel cartridges, they were very slow, i think even i could outrun the shot. they were seriously **** and i wouldnt use them ever. cook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted July 21, 2011 Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 even if lead was banned, homeloading would increase. steel is usable. i bought some Ly Ex steel cartridges, they were very slow, i think even i could outrun the shot. they were seriously **** and i wouldnt use them ever. cook. Sure, steel is usable, but only to a point. Like for like it's nowhere near as good as lead. I'm sure some people would homeload, but I'm equally sure more people won't and will probably give up shooting altogether. The fact is steel is a 'cheaper' alternative to lead at the moment (though the prices are already creeping up) so people use it. If (when) lead is banned the manufacturers can whack the prices up as much as they like......there'll be no (cheaper) alternative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted July 22, 2011 Report Share Posted July 22, 2011 Sure, steel is usable, but only to a point. Like for like it's nowhere near as good as lead. I'm sure some people would homeload, but I'm equally sure more people won't and will probably give up shooting altogether. The fact is steel is a 'cheaper' alternative to lead at the moment (though the prices are already creeping up) so people use it. If (when) lead is banned the manufacturers can whack the prices up as much as they like......there'll be no (cheaper) alternative. well, steel is more abundant than lead, if the ban happens, the price of steel will be driven down. cartridge companys wont sell 1oz #5 load because it encroaches on their other more profitable products. thats why the dont release it. i aint saying is going to smell of roses, but the demand will drive the price way down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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