registering a unlicensed shot gun.

[foggy011983]

my girlfriends mothers father passed on and she has now found his old shotgun. Its a j a scotcher 12 bore.

She doesnt want to dispose of it and after a search on the net i found out they are quite rare and valuable.

I am going to take it to a firearms dealer tomorrow to get it registered and refurbished but I have no idea what to put on my licence even if i have to put anything on it at all.

 

Ive said to her if she wants it back she needs to get a shot gun licence and ill look afterit for the moment.

 

Its not something ive come across before so any help would be most gratefully recieved.

 

Many thanks steve.

[TaxiDriver]

For proper qualified advice, contact your forces Firearms licencing dept.

[foggy011983]

yes that would be ideal if they were open, the same as the basc. Im just lookiing for some info at the moment seen as no one is available to speak to at the moment.

[wymberley]

Very highly regarded maker, albeit provincial, Bury St Edmunds.

 

"Quite rare" is in the ball park when you consider that Boothroyd has it that there are only 9 in existance. That figure may be suspect as Googling the name reflects that there would be an abnormally high percentage for sale. But ne'r the less.....

[silpig5]

as far as iknow its quiet straight forward .

take it to your rfd

he logs it stores it and notify the buzzies

the buzzies check there wanted list then gives the rfd the nod

the rfd calls you and say gun ok , gifts it back to you with a admin charge .

simples

 

adi

[Scully]

Take it along to your local RFD,tell him how it came into your posession,and ask him to enter its details into his register.After checking if it's in proof ask him to 'sell' it to you.If it's out of proof or has none,then it will have to go on your ticket as 'given',not sold.Give your dealer 20 quid or whatever he thinks is reasonable.

I've done this before and it's common practise in these situations.

There is no need to inform your licensing department of anything other than the fact you have added another shotgun to your SGC,as is normal when you buy one.

[Andy H]

send a letter to the firearms dept stating you have taken possesion of the said shotgun from the deceased estate , This is one of the few instances where you can register a firearm yourself and it will be entered on the national firearms database.

[foggy011983]

ok thats great thanks for all your help.

 

I take it when i take it to my dealer i dont need to add anything to my licence till it gets registered.

[Hornet 6]

Contact your FEO, a dealer is not likely to want anything to do with it, and won't (or shouldn't) take it in unless you can produce a SGC in the deceased's name.

I had to do this a few years back, it was very straight forward and my FEO did all the paperwork.

 

 

Neil.

[eccles]

Hi Foggy, Andy H correct done this myself had no prob, just wanted letter from person who found the gun to put on police file

[al4x]

Bear in mind its at the RFD's discretion so may be best to call first. Go down the FEO route and they can insist its scrapped bearing in mind its currently an illegally held gun.

[foggy011983]

Hi guys thanks for all your advice.

 

I have spoken to the BASC and thought I would say what the correct way to deal with this situation if it should happen again in the future to anyone reading this thread.

 

 

Once you have found a firearm, you should contact your local Firearms office and say you have found in your deceased reletives effects a battered old firearm. You should then ask for a section 7 permit under the firearms act 1968.

 

This will entitle you to hold the firearm and do what ever you so please for a limited time. IE the person who found this shotgun does not have a licence. the permit will give her time to either sell, give to someone else, get it deactivated or apply for a licence.

 

You can take the firearm direct to your RFD but they do not reconmend this as the RFD WILL have to contact the police anyhow and then, the police will contact you which could lead to a lot of problems. Untill the police are satisfied with the answer your RFD will not be allowed to release the firearm to your self.

 

I hope this helps any other people in the same situation and thanks for all people that have replied.

 

STEVE

[al4x]

Isn't a section 7 permit just a temporary cert which is either used if yours runs out or to hold a deceased persons guns while they are sold? in usual cases they are registered guns but very interesting if you can do the same with non registered ones.

 

 

Also to bear in mind is your SGC gives you no rights to hold an unlicensed gun. You can have serious issues if they think you have held onto it for a while before reporting it.

Edited July 11, 2011 by al4x

[foggy011983]

Isn't a section 7 permit just a temporary cert which is either used if yours runs out or to hold a deceased persons guns while they are sold? in usual cases they are registered guns but very interesting if you can do the same with non registered ones.

 

 

Also to bear in mind is your SGC gives you no rights to hold an unlicensed gun. You can have serious issues if they think you have held onto it for a while before reporting it.

 

Yes that is exactly what it is, a temporary certificate to give you time to sort it out.

 

As to the SGC certificate yes that is completely right and obviously the same for holding on to it without a certificate. The gun is still in her possesion as I didnt want to touch it and risk affecting my own licences. Sadly which also puts me in a predicament is that it is also an offence for me knowing about the shotgun if she chose not to bother in getting it sorted, but I will make sure she does for everyones sake.

[HW682]

for interest, here is what the Met. have to say.. (about half way down) http://www.met.police.uk/firearms_licensing/faqs.html

 

 

If you find unlicensed weapons, for instance discovering them in your loft having just moved into a new address, do not handle them - they could be loaded and in a dangerous condition. Immediately call your local police who will remove them safely and dispose of them for you.

 

 

If you are left with firearms that you know had been legally held (this could be due to the death of a Certificate holder, who was a close relative) you have several options.

 

Temporary Permit - You could request a permit to allow lawful access to the weapons in order to give you time to decide the best means of disposal. The Police are empowered in such circumstances to issue a Temporary Permit, which would normally be restricted to possession only (not use) and be valid for a limited period of time, usually a month, but in certain circumstances can be longer.

 

To request this, you need to contact the Firearms Licensing authority.

 

Registered Firearms Dealer - You could arrange for them to be placed with a Registered Firearms Dealer for storage and/or sale.

 

Certificate Holder - You may know of other Certificate Holders to whom they may be transferred (this would depend on them having sufficient storage and, in the case of guns that had been held on a Firearms Certificate, the authority to acquire that particular type of weapon).

 

Deactivation - Another alternative is to have the weapons ‘deactivated’, which would render them safe and remove them from all legislation relating to firearms. They would still retain the original appearance but would be incapable of discharging a missile