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Milliband is the best thing to happen to the Conservatives for quite a while.

 

I like Haig but my opinion of him went down a little in the interviews he gave early on in the Libya conflict - even he came across a bit lost. Still one of the better ones though.

 

TBH I'm not sure the main stream parties are capable of electing a leader who would be a true statesman like Churchill. I think it could come from one of the fringe parties but we have to be careful what we wish for.

 

I'm a bit flaky on this but did Churchill start out as statesmen or did he grow into that iconic figure due to the war?

I'm absolutely sure the mainstream parties are incapable of electing a REAL leader, our system isn't set up for those sort of people to emerge.

 

I think your comment on the fringe parties is also relevant, if history has taught us nothing else, hopefully people will remember how easy it is in time of crisis to resort to fascism, think it couldn't happen here? Think again.

 

Churchill, as I said previously, was the man of the moment, (remember the old adage "cometh the hour, cometh the man" ). Was he a great politician, debateable, was he the leader we needed in that time of crisis, undoubtedly. Hopefully we shall not have need of such a leader again.

 

And for the record he was initially compared to Haig, which is laughable.

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Maybe a non Eton schooled spoiled brat would be a good choice, all the above mentioned are posh sherry drinking upper class tits! How many have ever struggled? Most have had mummy and daddy's support through school and life financially, politics is a hobby, not a real full time job for life....

 

we need someone with the character ot Churchill, the drive and passion of hitler and the determination and understanding of the people of thatcher...

 

We need CHITLECHER! :lol:

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I am Ack Ack, born and bred in the Broad Acres and depsite coming from a family of South Yorkshire Miners, have always been a huge Maggie fan. This is despite leaving school in '83 and completing a YTS scheme ( cheap labour or what).

 

I smiled today when in our local paper, a labour MP was blaming the coalition for increased unemployment. YUP!. same thing happened after the last Labour cock up. They break it, whoever follows, fixes it.

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Quite right! :lol:

 

Churchill epitomises the bulldog spirit of Britain, and not just selling cheap insurance ;)

 

 

that will be the same Churchill who refered the Welsh miners as "rats" and wanted to send the army in to get them back down their "holes" good leader during the war, questionable as a politician in peacetime, tory, liebour, limp wristed libbies, they are all the same, self-centered back stabbing bum boys, who want to further their own political ideology, rather than do whats best for the country and god forbid actually represent US, hence multiculurism, the "big society" and the bankers using money to make money rather than actually lending it to those wanting to use it to employ people.

 

KW

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that will be the same Churchill who refered the Welsh miners as "rats" and wanted to send the army in to get them back down their "holes" good leader during the war,

 

 

Hmmmmmm......bit unpatriotic of them striking over pay whilst the troops were throwing themselves at the beaches of occupied Europe.

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Hmmmmmm......bit unpatriotic of them striking over pay whilst the troops were throwing themselves at the beaches of occupied Europe.

 

they were not fighting in 1926 did you do history?

 

KW

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My apologies thought you were referring to their wartime strike. Winnie showed foresight didn't he?

 

mine as well, it was 1910 when he was home secretary that he tried to use the troops to beat the welsh miners in 1926 he was up in arms about the general strike, like I said good leader during a war bit of a **** in peacetime

 

KW

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mine as well, it was 1910 when he was home secretary that he tried to use the troops to beat the welsh miners in 1926 he was up in arms about the general strike, like I said good leader during a war bit of a **** in peacetime

 

KW

 

I'm with you on that chap.

 

 

But what a **** he was eh? Finest **** we've ever had!

 

Winnie, I salute you!!

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Disreali, I think it was, who said that society gets the politicians it deserves. The more I see of modern British society and modern British political leadership the more convinced I am that he was right. And he was a liberal.

A county that managed to delude itself, tirelessly assisted by all the broadcast media, that 13 years of Blair, Brown and schoolboy marxism was somehow a good idea, deserves all that is coming to it. Milliband and Cameron are just part of the natural progression.

Milliband is undoubtedly a champagne socialist and a weedy pinch-faced, buck-toothed adenoidal ***** born with a silver hammer and sickle in his mouth who thinks that much in life is 'inappropriate', but please, lets not call Cameron a Tory. He is a wig. More Heath than Thatcher. And Clegg reminds me of the kid in the office who thinks that an ill-fitting suit from Matalan and an interest in mobile phone accessories somehow entitles him to get involved in some way.

What a bunch of ****es.

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Churchill wasn't so much dropped after WW2 as socialism was adopted. Churchill advocated a long period of austerity to repay the war debts and maintaining a high level of military capacity whilst the Labour Party promised the war weary public a new beginning in a Socialist country and instant demobbing of those in the military who wanted out. After five years of war, two if you were American, it is litle wonder the public voted to get thier boys back home.

 

Thatcher was a disaster as a peace time PM. We are still suffering. But she was the right person to deal with the Falklands conflict. Imagine Major or Kinnock in the chair? Same with Churchill. He predicted the German threat and knew how to deal with it. Peace time was a different battle.

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Thatcher was a disaster as a peace time PM. We are still suffering. But she was the right person to deal with the Falklands conflict.

 

 

You seemingly forget that her withdrawl of naval cover of the southern ocean and the proposed scrapping of HMS Endurance, gave the argies the invite to invade in the first place :yes:

 

KW

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Maggie was the best peacetime MP we have had in years. No one has come close.

 

The previous Labour bunch of muppets had brought us even closer to bankrupcy than even the last lot. The IMF would not give us ny more money. The cuts were necesssary.

 

She tamed the unions, which was needed. The unions did a great job initially, giving the working man a voice and getting him his rights, defending him from unscrupulous employers. They just got too powerful and too greedy. Take a look:-

 

Secondary picketing, very democratic-not!

 

Closed shop, again very democratic - not!

 

Scargill claimed the government were operating a police start " like you would see in Chile" wa sthe quote, yet operated some of the worst practises, 2 uncles and 3 cousins were miners, one of mu Uncles worked for the NUM. They all disliked Scargill.

 

All Maggie did was grow a pair of bigg brass ones, tell people how is was and to get on with it, which is why we had by the late 80s, one of the best economies in europe and the world. Comrade Blair inherited it and screwed it up

 

Everything is cyclical, but let's be clear,back then and now, we do not have the money to subsidise anything.

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Thatcher privatised all the public utilities meaning that we now pay more to foreign companies for our water, gas and electricity. What she did is to undervalue the companies, sell them off cheap to the public who then sold them on to those who really wanted them a year later. The public entrepeneurs doubled their money, banks made a fortune out of share dealing and the corporate fat cats got the utilities at a knock down price. Brilliant strategy except that we are now paying through the nose for our utilities.

 

She also set into motion the privatisation of health and education that was continued by the psuedo-tory Bliar. Thatcher was so hell-bent on destroying the unions she destroyed the heart of British manufacturing leaving a vaccuum that we have had to fill with imports.

 

Thatcher was a disaster as a PM and her legsacy will last for years.

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We are wandering from the point somewhat gentlemen.

The original question was is Milliband or is he not an ****? As ever, it is a matter of opinion; but it seems to be a widely held opinion.

Ukpoacher, you seem to imply a dislike of our Maggie, but what do you make of Adenoidal Eddie?

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Yes Milepede is an ****e. Like most current politiians of all parties, he has never worked in a proper job.

 

As for Maggie destroying british manufacturing, how did she do that?.

 

If you mean you removed subsidies from bloated overmanned nationalised industries then good on her, otherwise we would be in even deeper pooh than we are.

 

By encouraging private enterprise, she actually encouraged industry but again, times change and you will not compete against chia or india on the big stuff like steel etc when we have to pay a man say £10.00 an hour and they pay £2.00.

 

Th eeats is where we were at 100 years ago, moving from an agrarian economy to an industrial one.

 

What killed british industry was

 

Poor Management

 

Union Power

 

Nationalisation

 

All of which contributed to the " it doesn't matter what we do/make or to what quality because we will still get paid!".

 

Jeremy Clarkson made a great programme about " What killed the British Motor Industry" and said the same thing.

 

She is often quoted as saying "There is no such thing as society" but the ill informed never complete the quoute. These 6 words are only part of an article. What she goes on to say is that "There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first. It's our duty to look after ourselves and then, also to look after our neighbour. People have got the entitlements too much in mind, without the obligations, because there is no such thing as an entitlement unless someone has first met an obligation"

 

In other words, there is no paralell universe called society- it's us so when people say that society will look after or society is to blame- it's us.

 

Same with " government money". It's not theirs it's ours. It's made up teh tax take- simple as that and it's not a bottomless pit so if we support industry who do you suggest loses out.

 

Off topic so aplogies and rant over :D .

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As for Maggie destroying british manufacturing, how did she do that?.

 

If you mean you removed subsidies from bloated overmanned nationalised industries then good on her, otherwise we would be in even deeper pooh than we are.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

how she did it? simple she sold the family silver electricity supply and distribution, gas ( don't tell sid) water, shut down pits that needed just a little help from the gov and then allowed the purchase of subsidised coal from european countries (hypocrite or what)then actively encouraged out of work miners to go on longterm sickness benefit in order to reduce unemployment figures, in fact she destroyed more of british industry than the Luftwaffe,

my own industry a classic I.E electricity supply I now work for the french govt via EDF a french company that seemingly never had to de nationalise when the european community said they had to? I hope the old crow rots in hell for waht she did to the working men of England

 

KW

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Pits needed more than a little help dear boy. My mrs worked as an accountant and saw the subsidies that went to the NCB- they were huge and came from the same pot as mentioned above.

 

Our fraternal brother Mr Scargill didn't help, had he shown a little flexibility thing smay have been different,yet being a good red didn't go and live in the USSR as it was at the time, interesting that most socialists don't want to. They just want to turn our country into their version of it. They are the worst type of hypocrite and i see that the old brillo pad still wants the NUM to pay 80% of his living costs.

 

Maggie was not perfect but 99% of what she did was right.

 

Remember we were the sick man of europe when she came in

 

Look at the cycle... Labour mess, Tories come in spend ages tidying it up, unpopular but what alternative is there?

 

Welfare state out of control, govt spending out of control... same old.

 

What do you suggest ?

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Look at the cycle... Labour mess, Tories come in spend ages tidying it up, unpopular but what alternative is there?

 

 

:good: After the last Tory term I couldn't help but thinking that Labour reaped the rewards of the Tory long term strategy and they still managed to **** it right up. Maggy may have sold off some of the family silver to get things moving again but Labour sold off virtually all of the family Gold at a time went it wasn't worth a carrot. They didn't have a clue how to run the country. I can't see Miliband as a breath of fresh air somehow but the longer he's leading the reds the longer the Torys will have to try and sort the UK out.

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Pits needed more than a little help dear boy. My mrs worked as an accountant and saw the subsidies that went to the NCB- they were huge and came from the same pot as mentioned above.

 

Our fraternal brother Mr Scargill didn't help, had he shown a little flexibility thing smay have been different,yet being a good red didn't go and live in the USSR as it was at the time, interesting that most socialists don't want to. They just want to turn our country into their version of it. They are the worst type of hypocrite and i see that the old brillo pad still wants the NUM to pay 80% of his living costs.

 

Maggie was not perfect but 99% of what she did was right.

 

Remember we were the sick man of europe when she came in

 

Look at the cycle... Labour mess, Tories come in spend ages tidying it up, unpopular but what alternative is there?

 

Welfare state out of control, govt spending out of control... same old.

 

What do you suggest ?

 

thanks to liebour and the mantra of the new left we have given our country away, but do you think con lib are doing well now? the euro is about defunct and the pound is worthless, we have again unemployment approaching 3 mill, we still have mass immigration with the associated need for welfare provide by those lucky enough to see their hard-earned wages frittered off via tax to support those who have never put a penny in themselves ( fair society that)

 

The average joe on the street who via P.A.Y.E and vat now hands more over from his pocket than if **** Turpin pointed a flintlock at him, of course they will shout the recession? a financial state made by those who play games with money, money they did not have I.E the bankers (spelt with a W) whose poker playing tactics, allowed to go on unfettered by the govt of the day,and the one since, meant we had to bail them out to a tune far greater than had we subsidised indigenous industry and kept people off benefit, ah but miners are fair game, bankers are needed?

 

To me there is only one answer, but the sheep of the south are painted blue, and the sheep of the north red, and the same disastrous cycle of cons V lab will go on , till something (usually in the way of a world war stimulates industry and future growth) pops up, or maybe Nigel Farrage will finally get his message over to the sheep like masses.

 

KW

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