Bluebarrels Posted August 24, 2011 Report Share Posted August 24, 2011 (edited) Accompanied a shooting mate of mine today to his new permission,quite a large free range chicken farm he briefed me on footpaths etc and we set the hide up overlooking a large grass field to one side of the chickens,quite a few crows and pigeons drifting about and it had the makings of a good day Well until this happened :o :o :o :o (our decoy pattern is just out of shot to the left of the pic)And just to make it clear we were decoying corvids,due to them stealing eggs and food !! Just goes to show how carefull we need to be when out and about with the gun we might know the location of footpaths/bridleways etc, and know safe directions to shoot and be aware of shot fallout etc,but we always need to expect the unexpected shortly after this we called it a day :good: BB Edited August 24, 2011 by Bluebarrels Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbo33 Posted August 24, 2011 Report Share Posted August 24, 2011 (edited) Ramblers, never decoyed them myself, but obviously your pattern worked then How many did you get? More points for a bigger ruck sack Edited August 24, 2011 by turbo33 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.philmypower. Posted August 24, 2011 Report Share Posted August 24, 2011 I would of told them to go as there not on the footpath and therefore trespassing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebarrels Posted August 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2011 (edited) I would of told them to go as there not on the footpath and therefore trespassing Whilst i agree with you sometimes i think its just best to pack up and go home better to loose a days shooting,than get into any arguments etc and loose my shooting all together :o BB Edited August 24, 2011 by Bluebarrels Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbo33 Posted August 24, 2011 Report Share Posted August 24, 2011 Whilst i agree with you sometimes i think its just best to pack up and go home better to loose a days shooting,than get into any arguments etc and loose my shooting all together :o BB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fielddweller Posted August 24, 2011 Report Share Posted August 24, 2011 Whilst i agree with you sometimes i think its just best to pack up and go home better to loose a days shooting,than get into any arguments etc and loose my shooting all together :o BB Well said ATB Fielddweller Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Mike Posted August 24, 2011 Report Share Posted August 24, 2011 (edited) Obviously the crop you were protecting was a crop of ramblers I always try and avoid grassland, not necessarily because you are technically shooting out side the remit of the GL but moreover because there is always one smart *** solicitor in a party of Ramblers who knows the GL better than many of us do. Edited August 24, 2011 by Fisherman Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebarrels Posted August 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2011 (edited) Obviously the crop you were protecting was a crop of ramblers I always try and avoid grassland, not necessarily because you are technically shooting out side the remit of the GL but moreover because there is always one smart *** solicitor in a party of Ramblers who knows the GL better than many of us do. So if you shoot members of the corvid family over pig units as many members on here do ,how does that differ from shooting corvids over free range chickens its protection of livestock and foodstuffs Edited August 24, 2011 by Bluebarrels Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ste12b Posted August 24, 2011 Report Share Posted August 24, 2011 Ramblers, never decoyed them myself, but obviously your pattern worked then How many did you get? More points for a bigger ruck sack :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted August 24, 2011 Report Share Posted August 24, 2011 Obviously the crop you were protecting was a crop of ramblers I always try and avoid grassland, not necessarily because you are technically shooting out side the remit of the GL but moreover because there is always one smart *** solicitor in a party of Ramblers who knows the GL better than many of us do. In this case the smart **** solicitor would also have known he was tresspassing I'd have told them to move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebarrels Posted August 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2011 In this case the smart **** solicitor would also have known he was tresspassing I'd have told them to move on. :lol: :lol: BB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbo33 Posted August 24, 2011 Report Share Posted August 24, 2011 In this case the smart **** solicitor would also have known he was tresspassing I'd have told them to move on. Game, set and match Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cant hit rabbits 123 Posted August 24, 2011 Report Share Posted August 24, 2011 Never seen any ramblers at all on my permission, the odd dog walker from the village, but never a herd of the rucksuck laden rare spotted rabler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted August 25, 2011 Report Share Posted August 25, 2011 Easy right n left there mate, well left though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Mike Posted August 25, 2011 Report Share Posted August 25, 2011 In this case the smart **** solicitor would also have known he was tresspassing I'd have told them to move on. Very complex area of law that...either those Ramblers were following a designated route or strayed off it......extremely difficult to prove Trespass against a group of Ramblers under such conditions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Mike Posted August 25, 2011 Report Share Posted August 25, 2011 So if you shoot members of the corvid family over pig units as many members on here do ,how does that differ from shooting corvids over free range chickens its protection of livestock and foodstuffs got me there...I suppose the crows and pigeons could have been dive bombing the chickens and plucking them out and flying off with them in their talons. Sorry i assumed you were decoying Pigeons and notice you have edited your original post. So you were shooting Blacks then thats OK but Pigeons decoyed to grassland technically thats an infrigement of the Licence. A crow lands on your chicken pen you shoot it with your AR thats perfectly legal. A pigeon lands on your Chicken pen you shoot it thats an offence under the Wildlife and countryside act. Carry on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted August 25, 2011 Report Share Posted August 25, 2011 Very complex area of law that...either those Ramblers were following a designated route or strayed off it......extremely difficult to prove Trespass against a group of Ramblers under such conditions. proving anything is irrelevant all you do is go up to them and ask if they know where the footpath they should be on is? then direct them to it. No need to go home or be aggresive etc its a fact they should be on the footpath. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJ91 Posted August 25, 2011 Report Share Posted August 25, 2011 got me there...I suppose the crows and pigeons could have been dive bombing the chickens and plucking them out and flying off with them in their talons. Sorry i assumed you were decoying Pigeons and notice you have edited your original post. So you were shooting Blacks then thats OK but Pigeons decoyed to grassland technically thats an infrigement of the Licence. A crow lands on your chicken pen you shoot it with your AR thats perfectly legal. A pigeon lands on your Chicken pen you shoot it thats an offence under the Wildlife and countryside act. Carry on i have decoyed them on grassland (clover...sheeps food), why is it any different to shooting them in a woods on a february afternoon when they come in to roost or over stubble?? they arent eating crops when in the trees roosting and they sure aint damagaing crops when munching what the combines left as its only going to get ploughed in!? you are still protecting crops, just not directly over the crop were the damage is been done? please correct me if i am wrong! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Mike Posted August 25, 2011 Report Share Posted August 25, 2011 proving anything is irrelevant all you do is go up to them and ask if they know where the footpath they should be on is? then direct them to it. No need to go home or be aggresive etc its a fact they should be on the footpath. Best left alone to Ramble off IMO and then continue shooting. No need to go home and no need to confront them. You can see where it would lead ..." we were walking along the hedgerow minding our own when suddenly we were approached by two men with guns " Not fair and equitible I know but thats how it will generally be construed. Bluebarrels did the right thing... Unless you are the Landowner and trespass resulted in damage I would stay well out of it.! Many of the areas I shoot are cris-crossed with footpaths, bridleways, tracks and the Pigeons always seem to know these fields. I keep well away even if the LO wants me to shoot..its not worth the risk in the current blame culture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Mike Posted August 25, 2011 Report Share Posted August 25, 2011 i have decoyed them on grassland (clover...sheeps food), why is it any different to shooting them in a woods on a february afternoon when they come in to roost or over stubble?? they arent eating crops when in the trees roosting and they sure aint damagaing crops when munching what the combines left as its only going to get ploughed in!? you are still protecting crops, just not directly over the crop were the damage is been done? please correct me if i am wrong! This is an old chestnut I suppose and we can all interpret the GL in our own way. I think roost shooting is probably borderline infringement of the GL... certainly non shooters would probably construe it so. We surely must be careful though where we choose to decoy Pigeons to...If we all started decoying to pasture or non target crops I wonder what would happen ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted August 25, 2011 Report Share Posted August 25, 2011 ramblers need to know they are in the wrong and you are the farmers eyes and ears. When off footpaths you don't have stiles and gates in the correct places for getting over fences and the likes and often they will just walk all across crops so there is no problem in pointing out the error of their ways. We get it all the time and you have to do it if you want to shoot particularly when out with rifles I've had people try and walk straight past where I am having noticed me and go to walk in front. For starters they have no right whatsoever to do it secondly when partaking in a legal past time I'm not going to give up or move due to someone trespassing. Fair enough if they are on paths but quite another when they aren't. I know your birdie mates think nothing of a bit of trespass but they do need reminding and thats before we get on our current bugbear and thats trail bikes thinking they have the right to go anywhere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasper3 Posted August 25, 2011 Report Share Posted August 25, 2011 I have one field that people walk down the side because the public footpath is over grown, I simply unload put the rifle down and let them pass, I wouldn't stop shooting as i have been given the right lawful permission of the landowner, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted August 25, 2011 Report Share Posted August 25, 2011 i have decoyed them on grassland (clover...sheeps food), why is it any different to shooting them in a woods on a february afternoon when they come in to roost or over stubble?? they arent eating crops when in the trees roosting and they sure aint damagaing crops when munching what the combines left as its only going to get ploughed in!? you are still protecting crops, just not directly over the crop were the damage is been done? please correct me if i am wrong! You're not wrong, the GL states to prevent serious damage, so if the birds are leaving a field and flighting to roost you are shooting them to prevent their return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenBhoy Posted August 25, 2011 Report Share Posted August 25, 2011 (edited) You're not wrong, the GL states to prevent serious damage, so if the birds are leaving a field and flighting to roost you are shooting them to prevent their return. exactly, and that is also why it's ok to shoot over stubble, proventing those same birds returning to that field in a few months to begin crop damage again. Edited August 25, 2011 by BenBhoy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted August 25, 2011 Report Share Posted August 25, 2011 Best left alone to Ramble off IMO and then continue shooting. No need to go home and no need to confront them. You can see where it would lead ..." we were walking along the hedgerow minding our own when suddenly we were approached by two men with guns " Not fair and equitible I know but thats how it will generally be construed. Probably the best bet Although I very much doubt in that situation both shooters would approach carrying their guns, perhaps one left in the hide with the guns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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