vengeance111 Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 What calibers should I apply for on my FAC, I have a fair bit of land, with fox, roe deer, rabbits ect I have an air rifle for the small stuff but rifle should I get for deer and fox ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 Depending on where you are you will probably struggle to a suitable deer calibre at grant without DSC1/2 and mentoring and deer calibres are species specific so you need to know what species....Suggest you have a good read of the HO and BASC guidance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vengeance111 Posted October 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 I've read the basc deer hunting page, it doesnt say much about the dsc1 and mentoring stuff, also the deer are roe deer could you explain the mentoring to me ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 NOt my area of expertise but basically your mentor has to be with you when you shoot that gun/calibre for a period normally 6-24months depending on experience, or you may be able to use your .223/.243 for Fox but not Deer without mentor/DSC, for a CF for deer some regions will require you to complete and pass DSC to get Deer on your FAC. Info on DSC http://www.bds.org.uk/training.html Info on FAC http://www.riflesunlimited.co.uk/showarticle.php?id=10 More info http://www.basc.org.uk/en/departments/firearms/guidance-and-fact-sheets.cfm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vengeance111 Posted October 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 Thanks mate, I know a very experienced deer stalker whos hired by the national trust, who does mentoring for free and lives near by so hopefully he can help me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 Thanks mate, I know a very experienced deer stalker whos hired by the national trust, who does mentoring for free and lives near by so hopefully he can help me I lwould say it's time to buy him a few drinks and have a chat then, may well be worth going out with him if you can a few times while paperwork is in/awaiting filing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vengeance111 Posted October 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 I lwould say it's time to buy him a few drinks and have a chat then, may well be worth going out with him if you can a few times while paperwork is in/awaiting filing. well he does have permission to shoot on my land, but he has never got anything yet, so it shouldn't be to hard to persuade him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pboro shot Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 in theory you dont need dsc but any experience you have will help,as for calibre choice .243 would be a good all rounder, cover small and large deer plus good for fox with lighter bullet you need to prove you need a deer calibre rifle and have some experience if your a member of basc give them a call they alway seem to be very helpfull with explaining this sort of stuff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchieboy Posted October 25, 2011 Report Share Posted October 25, 2011 There's a simple answer to your question about what calibre to ask for - If you are in England or Wales the minimum calibre permissible for Roe Deer is a .240 which would make the .243 one of the most advisable choice as it would be acceptable and very capable of dealing with foxes! DSC1 is not a legal requirement even though it is sometimes asked for by some constabularies but some experience might be asked for (And is advisable) and even then, subject to what area you are in if it is your first centre fire rifle they are quite likely to slap a "mentoring" condition on you, so a chat and a few outings with your deer stalking friend would be time well spent! He would also be in a better position to advise you on calibres etc with some "hands on experience" than we might be able to. Good luck with your application. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted October 25, 2011 Report Share Posted October 25, 2011 This can be debated all day but .243 is the only sensible entry route for Roe/Fox in England/Wales! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vengeance111 Posted October 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2011 Ok cheers, I'll get a .243 whats the sound/recoil like on them, will I need a mod ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchieboy Posted October 25, 2011 Report Share Posted October 25, 2011 Ok cheers, I'll get a .243 whats the sound/recoil like on them, will I need a mod ? The recoil isn't too bad but don't expect anything near as "tame" as you would with a rimfire. As for a moderator, it is advisable noise wise and it will help towards reducing the recoil. I don't have one on my .243 yet but it is on my "wish list"! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajm1979 Posted October 25, 2011 Report Share Posted October 25, 2011 I know you have stated you have an Air rifle for smaller stuff, save yourself the hassle and cost in future and put in for a .22lr & 17Hmr at the same time. I got my 22-250 no problem as first CF with no mentoring aswell as the 22lr and HMR. As its been stated it depends on the area you are in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vengeance111 Posted October 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2011 I live in Devon, I was also thinking of getting a semi auto 22 as well for rabbits and stuff, and just some fun Is it frowned upon to fire a rimfire into the air ?, are they as dangerous as a centrefire, as I often shoot pigeons form trees with my airgun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted October 25, 2011 Report Share Posted October 25, 2011 I live in Devon, I was also thinking of getting a semi auto 22 as well for rabbits and stuff, and just some fun Is it frowned upon to fire a rimfire into the air ?, are they as dangerous as a centrefire, as I often shoot pigeons form trees with my airgun SAFE BACK STOP! want to shoot into trees then get a shotgun! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin128 Posted October 25, 2011 Report Share Posted October 25, 2011 What calibers should I apply for on my FAC, I have a fair bit of land, with fox, roe deer, rabbits ect I have an air rifle for the small stuff but rifle should I get for deer and fox ? Get some experience with a 223rem on fox and see how it goes. My Remington 700 Police... And my CZ452 22lr for rabbits... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vengeance111 Posted October 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2011 Nice tbh though I don't see too much point in a .223 were I live (there aren't many fox), as I would prefer a deer legal gun that you can use for foxes, rather than a gun you can only use for fox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted October 25, 2011 Report Share Posted October 25, 2011 Ok cheers, I'll get a .243 whats the sound/recoil like on them, will I need a mod ? Sound levels are personal but I'd say an unmoderated .243 was loud! Recoil will depend on the type or rifle and ammo, it isn't bad whatever, but with the 55/58g ammo it is easy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deershooter Posted October 25, 2011 Report Share Posted October 25, 2011 Sorry guys but if you dont know its not safe to shoot a .22 rimfire it to the trees you should be asking should this person have a center fire rifle at all? My advise is to get some experience and forget about applying for a fac until you can prove that you are safe and proficient in there use of the rifles that you require Please remember that you have to justify what you want on a FAC its not a right to have what you want like a shotgun certificate you have to have good reason and when you dont even know what you want how can you have good reason Sorry for sounding negative on this but you really do need 6 months mentoring to fully understand the capabilities of rimfire and center fire rifles you could gain a wrath of knowledge by reading up rather than posting on an open forum Deershooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vengeance111 Posted October 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2011 Sorry mate, I have heard a lot of debate on this forum though about firing .22s in the air, and alot of people seem to say its alright ,and alot say its not and to be honest, I have air rifle pellets heavier than a 17hmr bullet so I was just checking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted October 25, 2011 Report Share Posted October 25, 2011 and to be honest, I have air rifle pellets heavier than a 17hmr bullet so I was just checking heavier yes but no where near the energy the HMR is supersonic, capable of almost twice the speed of sound! 775m/sI think you need more experience before applying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vengeance111 Posted October 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2011 heavier yes but no where near the energy the HMR is supersonic, capable of almost twice the speed of sound! 775m/sI think you need more experience before applying when I say fire in the air I mean basically straight up, 80/90 degrees Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted October 26, 2011 Report Share Posted October 26, 2011 Hello, mate, You were doing fine until Post #14, but now I must say that I agree with the last few posts relating to safety. Why? - it's just possible that I may be on the other side of the hedge! If you're anywhere near Exmouth, always happy to help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vengeance111 Posted October 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2011 haah yeah I was just clearing things up, i know some people who shoot pigeons of trees with .22s and i wasn't sure if this was safe or not, obviously its not so I won't do it I live sort of near exmouth, probably a bit far to drive though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BunnyDoom Posted October 26, 2011 Report Share Posted October 26, 2011 (edited) Yep a .22 can travel up to 2 miles if shot into the air so always ensure there's a safe back stop! If you're shooting pigeons in a tree stick with your air rifle or get yourself a shotgun (I use a .410 baikal hushpower) - then if you miss/over-penetrate the shot is light enough to be relatively harmless when it comes back down. I have a .22 and 17 HMR - I use the 17 for close range fox control and rabbit, and the .22 for Rabbit - yes guys I'm licened to do so by my issuing force before you start hurling legislation about legal calibre for fox at me! I have a .243 also which I use for long range foxing and deerstalking - you can't shoot deer without a mentor, or unless you have completed a DSC1 (run by BDS or BASC). You also need the permission of the landowner to shoot deer, as well as permission to shoot fox/vermin if you are shooting fox. p.s. Yep you'll need a moderator (or hearing protection) for .243 - I'd reccomend an MAE T12 or an ASE Ultra, I've used both and they're better than the rest! Edited October 26, 2011 by BunnyDoom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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