Clydebuilt Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 Gents, My Mrs said she'd quite like to have a go at the clays and I've been seriously considering getting her a 28 bore. My Browning and Miroku are way too heavy for her and she struggles to keep them pointing straight! Are any of the Browning or Miroku 28 bore's reduced in size for the smaller guages, or are most of the stock/frames/barrel same sort of weight/configuration? I.e. is there a percentage of reduction in the actions with respect to the smalelr bores? Does that make sense? Haven't really had much of a look on guntrader yet but as it'll be purely for a few days a year hopefully smashing some clays, I don't need anything too fancy, shorter stock and maybe 28" barrels, just want to encourage her recent enthusiasm before she mentions getting another horse.... Your thought would be appreciated Cheers Clyde Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crob12 Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 id go for a 20 bore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OvEr_KiLL Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 yeh try a 20 gauge mate, what about a game gun multi choke? there usuaully lighter than sporters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdSolomons Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 If it was me I'd be looking at a 28, nice and light and get get loads in the 17g area will still be nice and soft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_evil Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 Lend her your 12g with some RC50 magnums see if that prompts a reaction Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drayman Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 Whoa ... Both my wife and daughter shoot 20 bore with enjoyable success. I recently picked up a mint Browning Medalist multi for £550. They aren't really a Browning but they do the job very well. Lincoln would be another good choice (my son started on one). 28 bore - have you seen the price of cartridges :blink: 20 bore is bad enough but if she gets keen then 28's - doh! It will be cheaper to buy the horse! And 20 bore, light load will break 99% of the clays you come across. Don't let folks tell you that 20's need high loads to pack a punch. For game, yes. For clays ... they are probably just missing 21g 7's are surprisingly effective on clays and I've yet to see a target they can't handle. Guntrader has a few guns under £575 but I suspect a few will go for Christmas presents to lucky youngsters. Cheers, Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clydebuilt Posted November 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 To be honest, the last time I shot a 20 I didn't find the recoil any different to a 12, doesn't bother me but I don't want to rattle her teeth and put her off. I appreciate gun fit blah blah has an affect/ The idea of the 28 was for the lighter loads (I was thinking 21g) but didn't know I could get as low as 17g though Ed, I'll have a look for them locally. Cheers Lend her your 12g with some RC50 magnums see if that prompts a reaction She's shot the .270 unmoderated on a range once many years ago, told her it wasn't that loud...got my balls booted for that she's so once bitten-twice shy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clydebuilt Posted November 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 Whoa ... Both my wife and daughter shoot 20 bore with enjoyable success. I recently picked up a mint Browning Medalist multi for £550. They aren't really a Browning but they do the job very well. Lincoln would be another good choice (my son started on one). 28 bore - have you seen the price of cartridges :blink: 20 bore is bad enough but if she gets keen then 28's - doh! It will be cheaper to buy the horse! And 20 bore, light load will break 99% of the clays you come across. Don't let folks tell you that 20's need high loads to pack a punch. For game, yes. For clays ... they are probably just missing 21g 7's are surprisingly effective on clays and I've yet to see a target they can't handle. Guntrader has a few guns under £575 but I suspect a few will go for Christmas presents to lucky youngsters. Cheers, Chris Cheers for the info Chris, I'll have a look at GT later Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chazzmeister Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 (edited) Gents, My Mrs said she'd quite like to have a go at the clays and I've been seriously considering getting her a 28 bore. My Browning and Miroku are way too heavy for her and she struggles to keep them pointing straight! Are any of the Browning or Miroku 28 bore's reduced in size for the smaller guages, or are most of the stock/frames/barrel same sort of weight/configuration? I.e. is there a percentage of reduction in the actions with respect to the smalelr bores? Does that make sense? Haven't really had much of a look on guntrader yet but as it'll be purely for a few days a year hopefully smashing some clays, I don't need anything too fancy, shorter stock and maybe 28" barrels, just want to encourage her recent enthusiasm before she mentions getting another horse.... Your thought would be appreciated Cheers Clyde If you can find a Betinsoli 20bore m/c it's a properly scaled down weapon, should cost you circa £500 secondhand and, with a 21g load should do pretty much the same job as a 12 bore. It's all about what piece of sky you aim at. 28 bore cartridges will bankrupt you and it might be wiser to let your lady learn with something that will give her a decent chance of breaking some clays - nothing succeeds like success and nothing demotivates as fast as missing! Suggest if you can that you get her to a ground where she can try a 20 bore and I suspect she'll be pleasantly surprised. Everybody likes to hit stuff. Good luck with whatever you choosen Edited November 26, 2011 by Chazzmeister Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_evil Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 Get her a .410 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OddJob Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 It depends how big she is. My misses found 20g too heavy on the forearm, got her a 28g Yildiz for £500. Spanking gun, lovely wood as well. Just need to get it shortened. Take her to a gunshop and get holding first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clydebuilt Posted November 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 It depends how big she is. My misses found 20g too heavy on the forearm, got her a 28g Yildiz for £500. Spanking gun, lovely wood as well. Just need to get it shortened. Take her to a gunshop and get holding first. Just had a quick look at these, seem to fit the bill nicely. Weight will be an issue, she's doesn't have Hulk arm's (same temper though )so hopefully I can find a couple of 28's for her to try. Cheers oddjob Clyde Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OvEr_KiLL Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 (edited) yildiz 28 gauge looks alright actually mate, nice wood for the price and its multi choke http://www.guntrader.co.uk/GunsForSale/110722103616002 good luck with cartridges, they are expensive for 28 gauge Edited November 26, 2011 by OvEr_KiLL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drayman Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 Looks like you are set on a 28g and the Yildiz does look good. I can only suggest she handles guns that are already cut down to size. The Yildiz appears to be a heavier gun compared to the Lincoln 20g but lighter than the Browning medalist (20g). Yildiz list their 20 and 28 at the same weight. Once the stocks are cut the fore end will feel heavier, hence the need to check a shortened gun. Good luck with the search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 That chap Dennis from UK gun repairs does a specialist female clay gun apparently which is fitted properly for eye dominance and low recoil. Not sure how effective it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyR Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 You could try taking her to a clay school which has both 28 and 20 bore and see which one she prefers. In my experience a lot of 28 bores are the same weight as 20 bores and with a 'starter' load of less than 21g down cylinder barrels the recoil shouldn't be an issue. Most of the girls I shoot with use 20 bores and a couple of 'em aren't even that fat! ;-) cheers, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willy1 Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 I've got an Investarm 28b o/u,fixed chokes 1/4 and 3/4, shoots 16gm,no 6's with next to no recoil.It's accounted for many squirells this year,I'm looking to try some 24gm cartridges later on in the week. Alan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OddJob Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 Don't let what you think of the gun or what she will 'get away with' with regards loads. Just get her holding guns within the shop before trying one with different loads. My lady even finds a 28g 14gram load a little kicky at times because she is quite slight and new to it. If it costs you £2 extra a box, not to worry. It will keep her happy, content and most of all, in the sport and shooting. The Lincoln is a nice gun as well, but quite a bit more expensive. About the same weight at the Yildiz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilR Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 My wife is 5ft 3in and weighs 8 stone, she's not built like a muscle machine and she shoots a 30" barrelled 12 bore and always has done using either 24 or 28gm cartridges. Her Perazzi weighs in at around 8.5lb but it has a custom made stock, in general terms it is shorter and higher in the comb. The grip radius is also closer to the trigger and the thickness around the pistol grip is slimmer both a critical feature for ladies who generally have smaller hands than men. You might find the weight issue isn't quite as bad as you think it is if she can get hold of a 12 with certainly a shorter stock to try, if she'll be shooting sporting 28" barrels rather than anything longer would also be helpful in order to get the weight back between her hands. Lighter cartridge loads such as 21gm and the heavier weight of the 12 should eradicate any felt recoil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clydebuilt Posted November 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 Thanks for the replies and advice. The main problem is finding a local(ish) shooting school where the variety of suggested guns and stock lengths would actually be available for her to try, however, good excuse to go furhter afield. I'm not too preplexed about the cost of carts, I doubt we'd get through more than a 1000 in a year, its more a casual thing for a lazy day. All food for thought so cheers again Clyde Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polester Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 When my missus started she used a 20b and found it heavy and awkward to hold so we built up on the amount of shots and she practised mounting the gun. She started on 50 then 75 and on to 100. She shot the 20b for 12mths and then moved onto a 12b 687 which was heavy for her at first but she got used to it and now can shoot 28/32g no problem. It just took her a while to get the strength and confidence and to be fair she's a fair shot now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 Whoa ... Both my wife and daughter shoot 20 bore with enjoyable success. I recently picked up a mint Browning Medalist multi for £550. They aren't really a Browning but they do the job very well. Lincoln would be another good choice (my son started on one). 28 bore - have you seen the price of cartridges :blink: 20 bore is bad enough but if she gets keen then 28's - doh! It will be cheaper to buy the horse! And 20 bore, light load will break 99% of the clays you come across. Don't let folks tell you that 20's need high loads to pack a punch. For game, yes. For clays ... they are probably just missing 21g 7's are surprisingly effective on clays and I've yet to see a target they can't handle. Guntrader has a few guns under £575 but I suspect a few will go for Christmas presents to lucky youngsters. Cheers, Chris some reloaders are even shooting 18 gram 20gauge loads ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willy1 Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 (edited) I don't find that 28b cartridges are very much more per cartridge than 12b. Price comparison 12b,say £5.00 per 25 = 20p per cartridge. 28b I've just bought some 21gm no7 at £6.50 per 25 = 26p per cartridge. NOT a lot of difference. Alan Edited November 29, 2011 by willy1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 I don't find that 28b cartridges are very much more per cartridge than 12b. Price comparison 12b,say £5.00 per 25 = 20p per cartridge. 28b I've just bought some 21gm no7 at £6.50 per 25 = 26p per cartridge. NOT a lot of difference. Alan WOW that is a good price ont he carts.... If it is the weight of the gun that is the issue then a very very light 12 with correct stock and 21g carts is just as effective as a 28b lighter guns recoil more so its a fine balance between reduced wiegth to hold and recoil. I have seen several people go from 20-12 and find the 12 easier 26-28" barrels and good recoil pad (helps balance the gun into the shoulder) that fits doesnt matter on the tube size! Multichokes are generally heavier as are sporters Franchi made soem super light guns using an alloy action and frame Falconet is the name rare now and getting pricey There are sub 6lb, 12 bores!!!!! http://www.franchi.com/sites/default/files/FALCONETPRO_EN.pdf 2.45Kg for 12 and 20 bore and 2.4kg for 28 bore thats with short tubes (24.5") but with 28" tubes still about 6lbs The only problem is GMK choose not to import them into the UK (preferring instead to import Lanbers) Franchi make as far a si know the lightest Semi's and O/U in production..... Yet you cant buy them in the UK...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flat-Cap Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 Mrs FC can't handle a full sporting 12 bore, but didn't have any problem with a 28" Winchester Lightweight 12 bore. She is 5'5 and about 9 stone. If she did some practice gun mounting with a 12 bore every night for a couple of weeks your missus would have no problem using it. 28 bores are for little boys and American skeet shooters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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