masterzone2 Posted December 7, 2011 Report Share Posted December 7, 2011 Can someone post a link to the exact word of the above firearms act As a few of us have never seen the part which restricts hi-powered air pistols Even my FLO has never seen any wording which makes them section 5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted December 7, 2011 Report Share Posted December 7, 2011 Have a look at Rule 3 of Section 1 of the 1968 Firearms Act. This rule extends to Scotland under Statutory Instrument 270/1969. Source: Fair Game by Charlie Parkes and John Thornley. (Every shooters bible) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted December 7, 2011 Report Share Posted December 7, 2011 Can someone post a link to the exact word of the above firearms act As a few of us have never seen the part which restricts hi-powered air pistols Even my FLO has never seen any wording which makes them section 5. What makes you think they're sec.5? They're sec.1 according to the Met. http://www.met.police.uk/firearms_licensing/air_weapons.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted December 7, 2011 Report Share Posted December 7, 2011 Further to my last, it may be easier to view (just Google) Firearms(Dangerous Weapons) Rules 1969. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masterzone2 Posted December 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2011 Always got told that if an air pistol is over 6ft lbs then it section 5 Then look in to it more NEVER saw it in any of the firearms acts and the 1997 ones only talk about cartridge based ones. So that is a new one to add to the list of knowledge then. Nice one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coolhead Posted December 7, 2011 Report Share Posted December 7, 2011 Can someone post a link to the exact word of the above firearms act As a few of us have never seen the part which restricts hi-powered air pistols Even my FLO has never seen any wording which makes them section 5. That's because it isn't in there chap. It's the Firearms (Dangerous air weapons) rules 1969. As wymberley says, it's done through a statutory instrument because they are deemed by the "Secretary of State under section 53 of this Act to be specially dangerous." They're Section 1 just like high power air rifles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulos Posted December 7, 2011 Report Share Posted December 7, 2011 Can someone post a link to the exact word of the above firearms act As a few of us have never seen the part which restricts hi-powered air pistols Even my FLO has never seen any wording which makes them section 5. Yep. The 1997 Act amended the original 1968 Act. It's Section 5 (1)(aba). Airgun limits are set out in a SI from 1969 as said above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masterzone2 Posted December 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2011 (edited) Nice to some more information on such acts. Its because I asked questions like above I found you could still own the Self-loading .22LR, from watching the news I was lead to believe they were restricted to section 5 after Hungerford just shows how much incorrect information is out there. So just to confirm under the 1969 firearms act air pistols above 6ft lbs are still legal and can be held on an FAC subject to suitable reason? Edited December 7, 2011 by masterzone2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted December 7, 2011 Report Share Posted December 7, 2011 (edited) I have to say I'm losing it a bit in all the technicalities (which I suppose the law is so written to confuse us plebs), but Leicester Constab (Google as my last post and run down to Leic') seem to be a cause for concern. It seems all the other constab's use the same text but Leic' have sneaked in a bit about Sect5 for 6ft/lbs+ for air pistols. That takes us back to the OP. Edit: PS Wonder if it's because someone missed the critical phrase, "not being an airgun" Edited December 7, 2011 by wymberley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted December 7, 2011 Report Share Posted December 7, 2011 Handgun-mental-tastic Makes a change from the run of the run of the mill questions from a handgun nut nut seeking to obtain a pistol for humane dispatch (but with no land and no exposure to livestock). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masterzone2 Posted December 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2011 (edited) Do you what mate you really are just another Thomas! If I wish to ask questions about law to broaden my knowledge then I dam well will! You don't like it tough ****. Bet you'd be the 1st to go asking how you can go about getting a speeding fine over turned if you ever got caught-especially if you had 9 out of 12 on your ticket. Stop giving people like me a hard time for seeking the truth OK? Edited December 7, 2011 by masterzone2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulos Posted December 7, 2011 Report Share Posted December 7, 2011 Handgun-mental-tastic Makes a change from the run of the run of the mill questions from a handgun nut nut seeking to obtain a pistol for humane dispatch (but with no land and no exposure to livestock). Tackleberrytastic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted December 7, 2011 Report Share Posted December 7, 2011 Do you what mate you really are just another Thomas! If I wish to ask questions about law to broaden my knowledge then I dam well will! You don't like it tough ****. Bet you'd be the 1st to go asking how you can go about getting a speeding fine over turned if you ever got caught-especially if you had 9 out of 12 on your ticket. Stop giving people like me a hard time for seeking the truth OK? Struck a nerve? I'm not sure what "truth" you are seeking, but anyone can see your post history on here and your obsession with getting your mits on pistols and for what purpose, who knows eh? Nut-nut-tastic mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulos Posted December 7, 2011 Report Share Posted December 7, 2011 After a slow start with them taking my money. An FLO/FEO from suffolk police came by about me adding 2xS1 shotguns upping my ammo allowance adding a sound mod + solid slugs it took them just under 3 weeks from him dropping by to it falling on to my door mat I don't believe that is bad really when you look at what extra I have asked for. So I personally am happy with the service I have received from them And I Had no problems getting a .357 and .22 LBP from them Just wish I could swap both LBPs for one .22 self loading handgun. Like this one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katash Posted December 7, 2011 Report Share Posted December 7, 2011 Mungler, just out of interest is everyone who expresses an interest in pistol shooting a nutter or just specifically the OP? The reason I ask is because I occasionally shoot LBP's, I own an air pistol for plinking with and if the handgun ban ever did (unlikely) get overturned I too would probably put in for a variation. Mungler - am I a nutter please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted December 8, 2011 Report Share Posted December 8, 2011 Mungler, just out of interest is everyone who expresses an interest in pistol shooting a nutter or just specifically the OP? The reason I ask is because I occasionally shoot LBP's, I own an air pistol for plinking with and if the handgun ban ever did (unlikely) get overturned I too would probably put in for a variation. Mungler - am I a nutter please? No, not at all.... Unless like the OP you have previously asked about how to get a pistol for humane dispatch (but have no land and no exposure to live stock), have asked about floating / ghosting shotguns and generally shown yourself to be completely and utterly obsessed by hand guns - go on, have a look through the OP's posts and tell me it's perfectly normal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted December 8, 2011 Report Share Posted December 8, 2011 Yes it is a bit of a jumble, with the original act and several amends since. :unsure: Our firearms team put together some guidance pulling out the different points of law relating to air rifles and air pistols. It can be found on our web site here: http://www.basc.org.uk/en/utilities/document-summary.cfm/docid/54486592-4812-41DB-8FC5E78820E2D7BA Hope its useful. David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted December 8, 2011 Report Share Posted December 8, 2011 David BASC, Good morning. Purely as a matter of interest, looking through a (very) few of the UK Constabulary 'sites on this subject and as mentioned earlier, only Leicester said that a 6ft/lb+ air pistol was a no no. It looks as though your BASC reference is saying that they (Leicester) are right and the others are "wrong by omission". Is that correct? Cheers, Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guinty1 Posted December 8, 2011 Report Share Posted December 8, 2011 Here goes (direct quote) The 68 act describes an air weapon as follows:_ an air weapon (that is to say, an air rifle, air gun or air pistol [F2which does not fall within section 5(1) and which is] not of a type declared by rules made by the Secretary of State under section 53 of this Act to be specially dangerous). So as far as the law is concerned an air pistol is an air weapon if it does not exceed 6ft/lb. If it exceeds this it is then caught by "The Firearms(Dangerous Air Weapons) Rules 1969". Before 1997 these type of air guns could be held on a section 1 ticket, but then came the 1997 Firearms Amendment Act which prohibited guns with a barrels less than 30cm or an overall length less than 60cm. So any air pistol that exceeds 6ft/lb and has a barrel length less than 30 cm or a overall length of less than 60cm is a prohibited weapon as described in Section 5(1)(aba)and attracts a mandatory 5 year sentence. I repeat these are not section one they are section five. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted December 8, 2011 Report Share Posted December 8, 2011 An air pistol over 6 is prohibited (sec 5). An air rifle that is over 12 becomes Sec 1 and can only be held if you have Sec 1 and have said rifle on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted December 8, 2011 Report Share Posted December 8, 2011 Phew, that's a relief, got away with it! Thought I was going to have to hand it in: Don't really want to; have shot hares beyond 700yards with it. Fortunately my 1951 Milbro spud gun is a smooth bore and is therefore exempt any legislation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaserF3 Posted December 8, 2011 Report Share Posted December 8, 2011 Phew, that's a relief, got away with it! Thought I was going to have to hand it in: Don't really want to; have shot hares beyond 700yards with it. How much holdover at that range...bet you only give a couple of inches Fortunately my 1951 Milbro spud gun is a smooth bore and is therefore exempt any legislation. I swapped mine for an air rifle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted December 8, 2011 Report Share Posted December 8, 2011 I swapped mine for an air rifle "Bet you only give a couple of inches" - sadly, that's the story of my life! :( :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted December 8, 2011 Report Share Posted December 8, 2011 You need a FAC here to get a air rifle and have to be in a gun club to get a air pistol. But i don't see anything wrong with wanting one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masterzone2 Posted December 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2011 Clearly you know **** I don't give out to much information How do you know what I have? and where else I shoot my firearms? and so what If I do ask about ghost loading would it make some one a nut to ask how/ if they can get extra long tubes for their FAC shotguns? If I ask a question regarding Law, Safety etc its know as common sense something a Racist like you wouldn't understand And I quote if you look through his previous replys you will see him quote language which the afro/Caribbean community are stereotyped as using which you will notice was on a pistol related thread which again the Afro/Caribbean community are stereotyped to use. So you call me a Nut-Nut Fair enough but I am law abiding and have common sense You "IN MY OPINION" (NOTICE OPINION) HAVE PROVEN NOTHING TO ME OTHER THAT TO HAVE SHOWN YOURSELF TO BE A RACIST END OF GOOD BYE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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