Elmer_fudd68 Posted December 26, 2011 Report Share Posted December 26, 2011 Hi all! Need some help with a future purchase i plan in the New Year please. I did have a Beretta 686 E Sporting, but i sold it as didn't get much time to shoot. Big mistake! I can't believe how much they have gone up in price! Wish i held onto it, but to late now. But now i'm in a position to spend more time shooting and need to get another gun. I do like the Beretta's, but i'm i right in thinking the 686 E has been replaced with the Silver Pigeon range? Don't know too much about the new range, so any advice on which model would suit Clays would be appreciated I have a maximum budget of £1500 (under would be better!). I want a 12g Right handed I'm 6ft 4" so i'm guessing 30" barrel (think my 686 E was that and was multi choke) I've only looked online for new prices, but i'd consider s/h as well. I'm only a beginner, but did have lessons when i had the 686, and was doing quite well at The Fennes, Essex Any advice on my future purchase will be great. I love the Beretta's but i wouldn't rule out another make if people have had good experiences with there's and are at the same level as me (i.e. Newbie!) Thanks all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerettaSV10 Posted December 26, 2011 Report Share Posted December 26, 2011 Hi yes the 686E has now been replaced by the Silver Pigeon 1 series of guns, these are around £1260 give or take a few pounds depending on the shop. The SP1 sporter is lightrt than the 686E, hss optima chokes instead of mobil chokes. The chambers are back bored, have a tapered rib think its 10 mm to 8 mm. The 686E is posably still availiable if you shop around but watch the price tag, I know my local shop cleared them out at £1300 new but has sold out. There is also a game version which retains the mobil choke system, has a auto safety rateher than a manual one. It has a narrow rib with a top mounted beed (if I remember correctly) and is slightly lighter than the sporter version. Now the draw backs of the SP1 which have been reported. Before taking the gun out it is very wise to give the stock several coats of stock oil as it has been reported if the stock gets wet it does get marked. The other repoted thing is the joint between the block and the barrels release a brown liquid (prob flux) mine did this for a couple ou outings. Having both the SP1 sporter and game guns they are a very good gun, reason why I went for the SP1 over the 686E is that I already had a heavey sproter and wanted a lighter one. If it came to the choice of just having the 686E or the SP1 don't really know the answer without testing them side by side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Churchill Posted December 26, 2011 Report Share Posted December 26, 2011 it may hurt you to say it but the older beretta's are better than the new ones, so i would say look for a well looked after old 682, 686 or 687. or go for a new ish' browning, its up to you but i prefer the weight and balance of the old beretta's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver pigeon 3 Posted December 27, 2011 Report Share Posted December 27, 2011 Go for a older silver pigeon 3, cracking looking guns and if you shop around you will find one with very nice wood. Plenty around £1500 in gunshops and may be even cheaper if you buy privately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevo_m Posted December 27, 2011 Report Share Posted December 27, 2011 I was looking at my local shops web site last night and came across this, might be of interest to you and not a great distance to travel for the right gun. My link Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the crowman Posted December 27, 2011 Report Share Posted December 27, 2011 Go for a older silver pigeon 3, cracking looking guns and if you shop around you will find one with very nice wood. Plenty around £1500 in gunshops and may be even cheaper if you buy privately. Should get a new one silver pigeon 3 cracking gun and you get a 10 year guarantee :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.C. Posted December 27, 2011 Report Share Posted December 27, 2011 (edited) The standard advice for a newcomer is to buy second hand. That way you should loose less money if you trade your gun in for a different model. Few people stick with their first gun gun once they have progressed with their shooting.Stay with Beretta and get a 686E if that is what you got used to last time. Edited December 27, 2011 by T.C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver pigeon 3 Posted December 27, 2011 Report Share Posted December 27, 2011 Don't think you could get a new silver pigeon 3 for £1500. But like he said cracking gun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COACH Posted December 27, 2011 Report Share Posted December 27, 2011 If you loved the older 686e then stick with it. There's plenty of them out there so try as many as possible until you find the best fit as contrary to popular belief they are all slightly different. But if you want to try something different, try the Miroku mk70 as at over 6ft they should fit you quite well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simjakcal Posted December 27, 2011 Report Share Posted December 27, 2011 Now the draw backs of the SP1 which have been reported. Before taking the gun out it is very wise to give the stock several coats of stock oil as it has been reported if the stock gets wet it does get marked. The other repoted thing is the joint between the block and the barrels release a brown liquid (prob flux) mine did this for a couple ou outings. i remember reading about this before on here,,so when i recently bourght my new sp1,i got some 'rapid oil' and gave it about 6 coats following the instructions.. 2 wks ago was the first time the gun got wet since haveing it... yet the stock has still marked from the rain,and in my eyes now looks **** ! not what you'd really expect from a gun that you pay over a grand for ! anyone know did i use the correct oil ? whats best to use ? or how much would it cost me to get the wood work striped and redone proffesionally.. never knoticed any brown liquid/flux dripping out of mine tho... cheers.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandcastle Posted December 27, 2011 Report Share Posted December 27, 2011 I am new to all this and am the very prowd owner of a 2nd hand 686e sporter and I love it. The advise I got from my shooting buddies was to buy a decent brand and a good fit and you will always get your money back. Good luck finding the right Gun. PS I only paid £975 from Malmo's that was about 5 years old like brand new. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danimal Posted December 27, 2011 Report Share Posted December 27, 2011 i think youl find the 686e is still available new mate and hasnt been discontinued Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted December 28, 2011 Report Share Posted December 28, 2011 Now the draw backs of the SP1 which have been reported. Before taking the gun out it is very wise to give the stock several coats of stock oil as it has been reported if the stock gets wet it does get marked. The other repoted thing is the joint between the block and the barrels release a brown liquid (prob flux) mine did this for a couple ou outings. i remember reading about this before on here,,so when i recently bourght my new sp1,i got some 'rapid oil' and gave it about 6 coats following the instructions.. 2 wks ago was the first time the gun got wet since haveing it... yet the stock has still marked from the rain,and in my eyes now looks **** ! not what you'd really expect from a gun that you pay over a grand for ! anyone know did i use the correct oil ? whats best to use ? or how much would it cost me to get the wood work striped and redone proffesionally.. never knoticed any brown liquid/flux dripping out of mine tho... cheers.... Tru Oil and 0000 wire wool apparently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted December 28, 2011 Report Share Posted December 28, 2011 If you dont mind second hand you will get a very nice 682E for your money, and will hold value better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chazzmeister Posted December 28, 2011 Report Share Posted December 28, 2011 Now the draw backs of the SP1 which have been reported. Before taking the gun out it is very wise to give the stock several coats of stock oil as it has been reported if the stock gets wet it does get marked. The other repoted thing is the joint between the block and the barrels release a brown liquid (prob flux) mine did this for a couple ou outings. i remember reading about this before on here,,so when i recently bourght my new sp1,i got some 'rapid oil' and gave it about 6 coats following the instructions.. 2 wks ago was the first time the gun got wet since haveing it... yet the stock has still marked from the rain,and in my eyes now looks **** ! not what you'd really expect from a gun that you pay over a grand for ! anyone know did i use the correct oil ? whats best to use ? or how much would it cost me to get the wood work striped and redone proffesionally.. never knoticed any brown liquid/flux dripping out of mine tho... cheers.... I use Rapid Oil and I know exactly what you mean about staining with rain - slightly lighter (almost grey), dull, blotches right? Reapplying RO over the top and letting it go really tacky then buffing it off with a clean cloth dampened with a drop of the oil to reactivate the sticky stuff works but its a time consuming and slow job. There's a polish available from the same people which is specifically designed to stop water marking - the details are on the buff slip inside the RO box...which I've lost so I can't remember what it's called! It should be available from whoever sold you the Rapid Oil or try Avalon. It's about 1/2 way down the page, Trade Secrets Wax Polish. Every oil finished stock will be more prone to marking than varnished or shellaced ones but they look SO much better. Good luck! Hope this helps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted December 28, 2011 Report Share Posted December 28, 2011 I don't bother with any of this poncey gunk on my woodwork. When I oil the gun, I usually end up with oily black hands. I just rub that into the stock and forend Looks fine and I certainly don't get any marks after rain Too much tarting about with expensive **** does no good at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerettaSV10 Posted December 28, 2011 Report Share Posted December 28, 2011 (edited) I don't bother with any of this poncey gunk on my woodwork. When I oil the gun, I usually end up with oily black hands. I just rub that into the stock and forend Looks fine and I certainly don't get any marks after rain Too much tarting about with expensive **** does no good at all Same here I just use Legia stock oil (green tin) after every trip out (well nearly) just give the stock and forend a quick spray and wipe off after a couple of mins. edited spelling error Edited December 28, 2011 by BerettaSV10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted December 28, 2011 Report Share Posted December 28, 2011 Same here I just use Lireca stock oil after every trip out (well nearly) just give the stock and forend a quick spray and wipe off after a couple of mins. Mine is Legia Gun Oil, Browning stuff, in a big red and black aerosol Same stuff lubricates, keeps rust off and I smarm it into the woodwork as well Don't use anything else anywhere on the gun, ever 'Ave a banana..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerettaSV10 Posted December 28, 2011 Report Share Posted December 28, 2011 excuse my spelling thats the stuff I use ony the red tin (gun oil) for the metal work and the green tin for the woodwork (wood oil) Thought the red tin (gun oil) would damage the wood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmer_fudd68 Posted December 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2011 Thanks for all the advice so far people Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chazzmeister Posted December 28, 2011 Report Share Posted December 28, 2011 (edited) Now the draw backs of the SP1 which have been reported. Before taking the gun out it is very wise to give the stock several coats of stock oil as it has been reported if the stock gets wet it does get marked. The other repoted thing is the joint between the block and the barrels release a brown liquid (prob flux) mine did this for a couple ou outings. i remember reading about this before on here,,so when i recently bourght my new sp1,i got some 'rapid oil' and gave it about 6 coats following the instructions.. 2 wks ago was the first time the gun got wet since haveing it... yet the stock has still marked from the rain,and in my eyes now looks **** ! not what you'd really expect from a gun that you pay over a grand for ! Finally dug out the paperwork from the back of my cabinet for Trade Secrets - it's actually called Burnishing Cream - it says "ultimate in gun stock aftercare. On application the Burnishing Cream removes finger marks, grime, water-spotting etc., while leaving a coating of finest wax polish...Ideally suited for oiled or polished stocks". Sorry to have got it wrong before - I am truly not very bright anyone know did i use the correct oil ? whats best to use ? or how much would it cost me to get the wood work striped and redone proffesionally.. never knoticed any brown liquid/flux dripping out of mine tho... cheers.... I use Rapid Oil and I know exactly what you mean about staining with rain - slightly lighter (almost grey), dull, blotches right? Reapplying RO over the top and letting it go really tacky then buffing it off with a clean cloth dampened with a drop of the oil to reactivate the sticky stuff works but its a time consuming and slow job. There's a polish available from the same people which is specifically designed to stop water marking - the details are on the buff slip inside the RO box...which I've lost so I can't remember what it's called! It should be available from whoever sold you the Rapid Oil or try Avalon. It's about 1/2 way down the page, Trade Secrets Burnishing Cream. Every oil finished stock will be more prone to marking than varnished or shellaced ones but they look SO much better. Good luck! Hope this helps Edited December 28, 2011 by Chazzmeister Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted December 29, 2011 Report Share Posted December 29, 2011 Elamr I saw a 686E ex demo at sportsman in dorset (Southern counties ground) Today looked in great nick and should be able to do a deal its was marked up at £1299 i think so as cheap as an SP1..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggest Posted December 30, 2011 Report Share Posted December 30, 2011 I had a Browning and changed to Silver Pigeon 1. It fits me so much better and feels more comfortable. I would certainly recommend one, however it is all about what fits you best. Have you been to Eastern Sporting in Chelmsford? That's where I got mine from. The guys in there have lots of good advice and will take the time to talk you through the differences between all the makes and models and they seem reasonably priced too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominicrobed Posted December 30, 2011 Report Share Posted December 30, 2011 I'm new to shooting only had my cert for a few weeks and I went for a second hand beretta 686e sporting and I love it !! Why spend more on a new one when you liked the old one ? But I did notice greenfields in Kent had silver pigeons for £1200 ish new ( well i didn't my wife did as that's the gun she wants ) Hope you find the gun for you soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haggis Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 I got a 686 ltd edition black action one for £800 lovely gun I've never shot better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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